Sergio Busquets

Bobo32

Senior Member
15th in la liga for tackles per game. 51st for interceptions. High standards

85th for key passes. 47th for pass success.

Incoming ?stats mean nothing? posts

So he is better at tackling than passing?
You should bring more if you bring stats to the table. He is on a decent pass success considering the difficulty and progression of his passing game. Brilliant even. He is pretty much the only one in the team playing through the press, it's mostly on the outside otherwise.
"key passes" is only passes that leads to an immediate shot, right? Very important for a DMC!
 

BarcaOG

Banned
Would be wonderful if those who claim we just don't get football could articulate everything Busquets brings to the team. You'd have to also highlight his obvious flaws for balance as no player is perfect. 2 of the greatest of all time in Messi and Ronaldo at their older ages have had major flaws to their game and benching/resting them has been imperative. So why Busquets would fit into the untouchable category is beyond me. Then again I'm just a dumb cunt who doesn't get football.

well put
 

Rory

Senior Member
So he is better at tackling than passing?
You should bring more if you bring stats to the table. He is on a decent pass success considering the difficulty and progression of his passing game. Brilliant even. He is pretty much the only one in the team playing through the press, it's mostly on the outside otherwise.
"key passes" is only passes that leads to an immediate shot, right? Very important for a DMC!

I’m merely pointing out the things he’s supposedly bringing to the table aren’t at a good enough level. As showcased by being far behind the league’s competition in those areas. He does try difficult passes which contribute to a lower success rate. At the same time as a cdm he is often afforded more time to make said pass due to where he gets to play on the pitch
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
He is still intercepting balls , making tackles ( taking the occasional yellow for the team) .. linking ALL the play together , making first time passes others cannot do and he made some great passes last night .

It is a shame that everyone overlooks all the above and just look for faults each game

He isnt linking anything as Barca are struggling big time to get ball from defence up through middle of park.

Passing is shite and not doing anything others cant do which is why teams are happy to let him get on it for vast majority of games.

Positionally as a DM to protect defences he is about worst will see in any top league. Chases ball and leaves gaps every match.
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
I’m merely pointing out the things he’s supposedly bringing to the table aren’t at a good enough level. As showcased by being far behind the league’s competition in those areas. He does try difficult passes which contribute to a lower success rate. At the same time as a cdm he is often afforded more time to make said pass due to where he gets to play on the pitch

I wonder how many of the 84 players on top of him in "key passes" play a remotely similar role to him...
lol at having a lot of time as a cdm btw.
 

malvolio

Senior Member
I wonder how many of the 84 players on top of him in "key passes" play a remotely similar role to him...
lol at having a lot of time as a cdm btw.

complete and detailed stats in here - https://fbref.com/en/comps/12/passing/La-Liga-Stats

he's on 19 key passes(that lead to a shot), at number 53 in La Liga. all players above him(if i'm not mistaken) play as forwards, fullbacks or CM/AM. so further up the pitch or in a position that gets them closer to the opposition goal.

busquets has the highest number of completed passes in the league, with a completion percentage of 87.2%. the only midfielder that's better(relative to the total number of passes they make per game) than him in that department is toni kross.

for example FDJ, who has a better pass completion percentage at 89.6%, has completed a number of 943 passes vs busi's 1469. FDJ played ~4 games less than busquets, so this affects a bit the number of attempted/completed passes.

busquets is 5th in la liga on numbers of tackles and 4th in tackle success rate(tackles that won possession of the ball). he's 7th in successful pressures and 3rd in passes completed while under pressure.

he's 1st in number of touches and 2nd in number of carries. he's also 1st in numbers of passes received(player was the target of an attempted pass).

make of all those stats what you will.
 

Rory

Senior Member
I wonder how many of the 84 players on top of him in "key passes" play a remotely similar role to him...
lol at having a lot of time as a cdm btw.

When Busquets makes those key passes it’s at times in the game where the opponent has stepped off him to sit back and defend. He doesn’t always have time of course. No player does
 

malvolio

Senior Member
When Busquets makes those key passes it’s at times in the game where the opponent has stepped off him to sit back and defend. He doesn’t always have time of course. No player does

you're comparing apples with oranges, mate. top player at key passes in the league is munian, followed by fekir. when looking at the list of top key passes providers you will notice that defensive mids aren't high on the list.
 

Rory

Senior Member
With the stats from fbref he’s on average very similar to all the top 20 players for tackles considering minutes played. I find successful pressures a bit of a grey area stat. You can successfully pressure a player but that pressure could be applied in the completely wrong area of the pitch, this is what Busquets does.
 

Rory

Senior Member
you're comparing apples with oranges, mate. top player at key passes in the league is munian, followed by fekir. when looking at the list of top key passes providers you will notice that defensive mids aren't high on the list.

Parejo, Trejo, Canales, Soler, De Paul, Frenkie, Modric and many more are ahead for key passes. All midfielders.

And that’s despite most playing less minutes
 

Gari

Active member
You don't have to be a genius to understand that if you're based on Busquets and are not able to compete in the LE and in the Example, then it's better to change the basis. In the game with Espanyol, the youth runs into the opponent's half, the base slowly passes the ball between them.
 

malvolio

Senior Member
Parejo, Trejo, Canales, Soler, De Paul, Frenkie, Modric and many more are ahead for key passes. All midfielders.

And that?s despite most playing less minutes

FDJ who plays anything but DM for us? Canales who is an AM by trait and never played DM in his career? Modric plays DM now? Trejo who plays CM/AM for Rayo? Parejo who plays mostly as CM? de paul who played CM and even AM for Atletico this season?
 

Rory

Senior Member
FDJ who plays anything but DM for us? Canales who is an AM by trait and never played DM in his career? Modric plays DM now? Trejo who plays CM/AM for Rayo? Parejo who plays mostly as CM? de paul who played CM and even AM for Atletico this season?

Central midfielders who play in a near similar position. Not going to find another player who plays exactly like Busquets. Other teams don’t try and play like us or set up like us.

Even then there’s several in the longer list that are more a cm/dm than still have more key passes
 

malvolio

Senior Member
Central midfielders who play in a near similar position. Not going to find another player who plays exactly like Busquets. Other teams don’t try and play like us or set up like us.

Even then there’s several in the longer list that are more a cm/dm than still have more key passes

it's not 'near' mate when some are AMs and take part in the attacking phase more often. or others that play in double pivot but have a pure DM beside them, thus giving the CM freedom to do more play-making or contributing to attacks.

of course other teams don't play like us. busquets is more of a deep lying playmaker that has to fill the role of defensive midfielder for us.

i don't get why you've chosen to highlight this 'key passes' stat when its not relevant to his role in our team. why not make it about goals scored then? all the same in the end, right?

i'm not saying that busi is the best mid in the league or that he is the same as 10 years ago. but pulling out some meaningless stats just to shit on him or downright shitting on him without any reason doesn't bring anything constructive to the conversation.
 
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