Serie A 2013/2014

Who will win Serie A?


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Sir Alupp Heynrguson
Really? You could say that about every team couldn't you? The reason you can't see it is because you don't even watch Serie A.

I don't see any teams scoring more than 1 or 2 against Atletico, if Barca and Bayern's defense is on point, the same thing on them. And I don't think any teams really (save for maybe Juventus and Milan when they bother to play well) in Serie A offer an attacking threat that's reflective of the top teams in Europe, what I've seen of Italian teams attacking-wise the last few seasons compared to La Liga, EPL and even Bundesliga has not impressed me.

I did forget about Hamsik, he's a pretty good player, but there's an audible gap between him and players that are great.
 

Ode to Django

You're not even a real journalism
Not the league vs league debate please

Serie A from top to bottom especially this season, is as strong as all of those, especially that of the bundesliga and La Liga, absolutely no question about it.
 

pEllee

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I don't see any teams scoring more than 1 or 2 against Atletico, if Barca and Bayern's defense is on point, the same thing on them. And I don't think any teams really (save for maybe Juventus and Milan when they bother to play well) in Serie A offer an attacking threat that's reflective of the top teams in Europe, what I've seen of Italian teams attacking-wise the last few seasons compared to La Liga, EPL and even Bundesliga has not impressed me.

I did forget about Hamsik, he's a pretty good player, but there's an audible gap between him and players that are great.

Still, what's the excuse for other teams when they concede against teams such as Sevilla, Valladolid etc?

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Look, you can make up all the excuses you want but come on, one single conceded goal. The quality of the football in the Serie A is strong and to have that defensive record is incredible. They also score plenty of goals as well.

Shame they're not playing in the CL atm. Would be quite a sight to be honest. You really missed some great football today since you left early. :)
 

XaviMessiGirl

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I think Roma not having Euro competition will be beneficial for them in the long run this season. They don't have a ton of depth & I think if they were in the CL/EL they would eventually start hurting, but this is the right time for them I think. Kinda like 11/12 Juve.
 

Icarium

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Roma, best defensive record in europe this season. Seriously only one goal in the entire season, that is just great even though it is italy. They are just like atletico(not style, generally). I mean if atleti have chances of winning La liga even roma has. Both don't have depth, presently they are the one of the best in respective leagues.
 
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Icarium

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Roma defeated inter and napoli and if it defeats juventus(although the match is far) they have most chances of winning serie a, as they don't have CL like napoli and juventus. I don't see inter competing for title and milan needs a complete turnover which is yet to come, they have the worst defense in Serie A i think.
By the way where is fiorentina i thought gomez will make them title contenders.
 

XaviMessiGirl

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Gomez is injured. I don't think they'll be scudetto contenders but they could be one of the ones battling for the third CL spot.
 

ejuventus

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I think Roma not having Euro competition will be beneficial for them in the long run this season. They don't have a ton of depth & I think if they were in the CL/EL they would eventually start hurting, but this is the right time for them I think. Kinda like 11/12 Juve.

with the difference of the usual referees' favours, while, during Conte's first year, Juve were subjected of obscurantism buy referees (first important penalty at the end of April).
As Rome have been the team with highest number of penalties during last 20 years in Serie A.
It's normal, if you consider that most of Federation's officialdom are people from Rome, and Roma's supporters.

Anyway, their start has been great and well deserved
 
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DavidVillano1

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More assumptions being made about Serie A and defending in regards to Barcelona. Some just can't accept Barcelona have some issues and are not the best in every department it seems, it's not even up for debate that Roma has the best defence in Europe this season.

Napoli decent at best and only a few good players?

Higuain, Hamsik, Callejon, Reina, Maggio, Mertens, Pandez, Dzemaili, Insigne, Armero, Inler and Albiol would regularly start for every club outside Barcelona/Madrid/At Madrid in La Liga and some of those players would get games for those clubs as well as other top clubs such as United, Arsenal, Bayern, Dortmund etc.

Some vastly underrating of Napoli and Serie A going on, was the same in the Alves thread. There is no way the likes of Valencia, Sevilla are currently better than the likes of Napoli/Lazio/Inter. Nor are the likes of Rayo, Levante, Vallodolid harder opponents than the likes of Sampdoria, Parma etc.

According to this website the teams in La Liga are amazing from top to bottom, Serie A has 2/3 good teams, same goes with Bundesliga. Which is certainly not the case.
 

Ode to Django

You're not even a real journalism
with the difference of the usual referees' favours, while, during Conte's first year, Juve were subjected of obscurantism buy referees (first important penalty at the end of April).
As Rome have been the team with highest number of penalties during last 20 years in Serie A.
It's normal, if you consider that most of Federation's officialdom are people from Rome, and Roma's supporters.

Anyway, their start has been great and well deserved

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ejuventus

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More assumptions being made about Serie A and defending in regards to Barcelona. Some just can't accept Barcelona have some issues and are not the best in every department it seems, it's not even up for debate that Roma has the best defence in Europe this season.

Napoli decent at best and only a few good players?

Higuain, Hamsik, Callejon, Reina, Maggio, Mertens, Pandez, Dzemaili, Insigne, Armero, Inler and Albiol would regularly start for every club outside Barcelona/Madrid/At Madrid in La Liga and some of those players would get games for those clubs as well as other top clubs such as United, Arsenal, Bayern, Dortmund etc.

Some vastly underrating of Napoli and Serie A going on, was the same in the Alves thread. There is no way the likes of Valencia, Sevilla are currently better than the likes of Napoli/Lazio/Inter. Nor are the likes of Rayo, Levante, Vallodolid harder opponents than the likes of Sampdoria, Parma etc.

According to this website the teams in La Liga are amazing from top to bottom, Serie A has 2/3 good teams, same goes with Bundesliga. Which is certainly not the case.


interesting post
 

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Sir Alupp Heynrguson
Higuain, Hamsik, Callejon, Reina, Maggio, Mertens, Pandez, Dzemaili, Insigne, Armero, Inler and Albiol would regularly start for every club outside Barcelona/Madrid/At Madrid in La Liga and some of those players would get games for those clubs as well as other top clubs such as United, Arsenal, Bayern, Dortmund etc.

Let me just start off by saying that player by player comparisons aren't that good of a way to determine how good a team is, and shouldn't be the final reason to deciding why a team is better than another team. Nevertheless, since you brought up all those wonderful players, let's do it anyway. :lol:

I can guarantee none of those players would start for Arsenal, maybe Higuain but I still rate Giroud over him. United I wouldn't judge as a benchmark for quality, as they regularly start Cleverly, off-form Valencia and Young, and most of their defenders are currently playing like crap. For Bayern, even Higuain would have a hard time getting on the bench, there is no way at all any of those players deserve to start for Bayern. Dortmund their attack is better, Lewa>Higuain, Reus>Hamsik, Aubameyang>Insigne, etc., maybe a CB could get in to rotate Hummels, but otherwise, no chance. Let's keep listing clubs until we find ones that would regularly play Napoli's players, shall we? Atletico might play Higuain in place of an off-form Villa, and find some use for Hamsik, but other than that, nope. Real should obviously have kept the Argentine and played him instead of Benzema, but the other players wouldn't touch Real's starting XI. We would probably play Higuain when Messi was tired, and could maybe use Hamsik as a bench player instead of Tello, but none of the others make the team. Manchester City could probably find use for Hamsik or Insigne on the left wing for more width, I rate Higuain higher than their strikers, perhaps Fernadinho could be replaced, and on current form I would pick Reina over Hart, but other than that no one.

Chelsea, Higuain would probably start, but he might still struggle as strikers have recently done for the Blues. Hamsik might come out ahead of Schurrle, Willian and so on for the bench spot, but he wouldn't start. Now we get to Liverpool, and here we see some changes. Higuain is too good not to incorporate in the XI in some way, Maggio is probably an upgrade over Johnson, Liverpool's midfield could use some reinforcing and I would pick Hamsik ahead of Moses. Everton would trade pretty well with a combined starting XI of the two clubs having half of each team, maybe slightly more of Napoli's. At the moment, Southampton is playing well, but their actual players aren't that good, and Reina, Higuain and Hamsik should all have a comfortable time getting into the starting XI, as well as some of the midfielders you mentioned. Let's go to France, shall we? Only two good teams here, and those are PSG and Monaco. For PSG, Reina would probably start, Maggio could give some competition to their RB, Hamsik would probably be better than Lavezzi or Pastore, and Higuain would consistently get on the bench and be rotated, but that's about it. For Monaco, I again could see Reina, Hamsik, and Maggio playing, and maybe the system is changed to include Higuain.

There's a few players on Napoli's squad that are consistently in contention for a spot, but the teams that would start those players are not looking favorites to win any major trophies, unless you consider the Ligue 1 title a major trophy. The title contenders, the likes of Barcelona, Bayern, Dortmund, Madrid, City, Arsenal, they wouldn't take any of Napoli's players for their starting XI, and that's what separates them from being a good team. Wait, I just realized, I forgot a whole league's top teams! Serie A, of course, how could I forget! Let's start with Juventus, shall we? Although Tevez hasn't been playing badly, 3 goals in 8 games isn't the best return, and Higuain should start over him. Hamsik is better than Vucinic, although that's not really saying much. Maybe Asamoah could be replaced by someone, but that's about it. Still, that's more than for most other top teams, right? Now let's go to Roma; Higuain could be incorporated in the starting XI, Hamsik could compete with Florenzi, Maggio could be better than Maicon and Reina should start.

What I noticed from doing this is that Napoli's players are instantly in contention for starting in Serie A, even with the first place team; with other leagues, the starting XIs of the 1st and 2nd place teams (Ligue 1 excepted) are all stronger than Napoli's. Even if you have a different opinion from me, and rate some of those players higher than I do, you can still admit that only one or two of Napoli's players would start for us or Arsenal or Atletico or Bayern, while three or four would start for Juventus and Roma; that's why I think Serie A is a weaker league and why Napoli is only a decent team. They have a few good players that could start for top clubs, but for most of them it takes until 4th or 5th to start featuring in the starting XIs (6th or 7th in EPL), which is in my opinion not enough to be considered good. And yet they sit second in the Serie A table; wwould you really see them doing the same in any other league, maybe even in Ligue 1? I personally wouldn't.
 

Deco 20

Scandinavian 101
Let me just start off by saying that player by player comparisons aren't that good of a way to determine how good a team is, and shouldn't be the final reason to deciding why a team is better than another team. Nevertheless, since you brought up all those wonderful players, let's do it anyway. :lol:

I can guarantee none of those players would start for Arsenal, maybe Higuain but I still rate Giroud over him. United I wouldn't judge as a benchmark for quality, as they regularly start Cleverly, off-form Valencia and Young, and most of their defenders are currently playing like crap. For Bayern, even Higuain would have a hard time getting on the bench, there is no way at all any of those players deserve to start for Bayern. Dortmund their attack is better, Lewa>Higuain, Reus>Hamsik, Aubameyang>Insigne, etc., maybe a CB could get in to rotate Hummels, but otherwise, no chance. Let's keep listing clubs until we find ones that would regularly play Napoli's players, shall we? Atletico might play Higuain in place of an off-form Villa, and find some use for Hamsik, but other than that, nope. Real should obviously have kept the Argentine and played him instead of Benzema, but the other players wouldn't touch Real's starting XI. We would probably play Higuain when Messi was tired, and could maybe use Hamsik as a bench player instead of Tello, but none of the others make the team. Manchester City could probably find use for Hamsik or Insigne on the left wing for more width, I rate Higuain higher than their strikers, perhaps Fernadinho could be replaced, and on current form I would pick Reina over Hart, but other than that no one.

Chelsea, Higuain would probably start, but he might still struggle as strikers have recently done for the Blues. Hamsik might come out ahead of Schurrle, Willian and so on for the bench spot, but he wouldn't start. Now we get to Liverpool, and here we see some changes. Higuain is too good not to incorporate in the XI in some way, Maggio is probably an upgrade over Johnson, Liverpool's midfield could use some reinforcing and I would pick Hamsik ahead of Moses. Everton would trade pretty well with a combined starting XI of the two clubs having half of each team, maybe slightly more of Napoli's. At the moment, Southampton is playing well, but their actual players aren't that good, and Reina, Higuain and Hamsik should all have a comfortable time getting into the starting XI, as well as some of the midfielders you mentioned. Let's go to France, shall we? Only two good teams here, and those are PSG and Monaco. For PSG, Reina would probably start, Maggio could give some competition to their RB, Hamsik would probably be better than Lavezzi or Pastore, and Higuain would consistently get on the bench and be rotated, but that's about it. For Monaco, I again could see Reina, Hamsik, and Maggio playing, and maybe the system is changed to include Higuain.

I think Reina would be in contention for a starting spot at Arsenal, and both Higuaín and Hamsik would start.
 

Blancone

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Roma just beat Napoli 2-0 today. OMG I'm in

This is beyond words the form Roma is in despite. What on earth magic is this Rudy Garcia working at Roma? Amazing!

If Roma beats Juventus all of Italy will freeze over.
 

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Sir Alupp Heynrguson
I think Reina would be in contention for a starting spot at Arsenal, and both Higuaín and Hamsik would start.

Szczesny is criminally underrated, Reina makes quite a few careless errors while the Polish GK doesn't at all, and makes good saves. Giroud is in better form than Higuain at the moment, has already adapted to the EPL and gels wonderfully with the rest of the Arsenal squad. As for Hamsik, no way. Ozil, Cazorla are better options than him out wide, Walcott is too, and once Podolski comes back I doubt Hamsik would even make the bench. With half of our wingers currently injured, he would probably start over Wilshere in that left role, but with them back he would not at all.
 
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