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PaulFCB

Banned
I have seen Pete retire, I actually saw him get hammered by Marat on Ashe 13 years ago and he kept trying despite his form. He eventually done it in 2002. For a period I saw tennis like going down with Roddick and Hewitt being "the future", not really excited to see those two top the rankings a period.
 

Banana-Rama

New member
i have missed sampras a lot more then i will miss federer, i found sampras more exciting to watch then federer personally, i loved sampras' swash buckling style of tennis...
 

MagIX

Senior Member
People don't seem to realize that anything good Federer does on clay is actually a plus.

I totally agree, clay is not his surface (even though he was the number two on clay for years and years).
If we would judge Sampras only for his results and performances on clay, we would say that he is a very bad player...
 

PaulFCB

Banned
I totally agree, clay is not his surface (even though he was the number two on clay for years and years).
If we would judge Sampras only for his results and performances on clay, we would say that he is a very bad player...

No, but I appreciate Rogers work to be good on all surfaces. He worked more than Sampras. Americans got married during the clay season while Roger was pushing hard to get to the top ( delayed face to the other surfaces! ). The fact that he was nr. 2 on clay is only because he worked much more than Pete.
Sampras was different, but let's look at it, the value of tennis is much higher now than in the 90's, players that have no hope for top 4 would easily be nr. 1 in other eras, now their just dominated by players like Djokovic, Nadal, Murray or even Ferrer who mostly fail to beat the top 4 but in the rest he's killer.
 
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Banana-Rama

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No, but I appreciate Rogers work to be good on all surfaces. He worked more than Sampras. Americans got married during the clay season while Roger was pushing hard to get to the top ( delayed face to the other surfaces! ). The fact that he was nr. 2 on clay is only because he worked much more than Pete.
Sampras was different, but let's look at it, the value of tennis is much higher now than in the 90's, players that have no hope for top 4 would easily be nr. 1 in other eras, now their just dominated by players like Djokovic, Nadal, Murray or even Ferrer who mostly fail to beat the top 4 but in the rest he's killer.

come on now, even djokovic/nadal at there best would of struggled to live with sampras, the guy was a monster, he would of destroyed the likes of murray and ferrer...
 

MagIX

Senior Member
No, but I appreciate Rogers work to be good on all surfaces. He worked more than Sampras. Americans got married during the clay season while Roger was pushing hard to get to the top ( delayed face to the other surfaces! ). The fact that he was nr. 2 on clay is only because he worked much more than Pete.
Sampras was different, but let's look at it, the value of tennis is much higher now than in the 90's, players that have no hope for top 4 would easily be nr. 1 in other eras, now their just dominated by players like Djokovic, Nadal, Murray or even Ferrer who mostly fail to beat the top 4 but in the rest he's killer.

No, in the 90's Jim Courier won RG twice (3 finals) Agassi won once (3 finals ?). The best result of Sampras at RG was a semi-final.
Each result of Federer on any surface is due to his immense talent and being in top physical shape.
The value of tennis of nowadays is not higher, is different: today before being a tennis player you have to be a marathon runner, the surfaces have been slowed down, the diameter of the balls is larger (to slow them down), tennis rackets are technological marvels. A tennis monotonous,
I am sure that Federer (or Sampras) also with a wooden racket would be phenomenal, many other players of nowadays with wooden rackets probably they would not even start playing tennis.....
 

PaulFCB

Banned
come on now, even djokovic/nadal at there best would of struggled to live with sampras, the guy was a monster, he would of destroyed the likes of murray and ferrer...

Neah, Sampras would've been owned by Djoker and Nadal hardcore mode.
A Prima Federer vs. Prime Sampras final at Wimbledon would've been nice, but honestly, I'm looking at the 2007 and 2008 and I doubt it would beat them.
We already know youngster Federer vs. Sampras at 28. Mind that at 28 Federer had mononucleosis and was still winning big despite being affected by the disease. Federer was far from his prime in 2001 and still managed to defeat Sampras and ending his Wimbledon glory.

The value of tennis of nowadays is not higher, is different: today before being a tennis player you have to be a marathon runner, the surfaces have been slowed down, the diameter of the balls is larger (to slow them down), tennis rackets are technological marvels. A tennis monotonous,

It's...higher than it was back then and a part of it you said it yourself...RUNNING. That's already raising the level a lot, these guys run hard for a point, not just serve and volley to end a point immediately, even at decisive points. Rackets aren't that different from then, maybe commercially, as an amateur you get better stuff with those technologies and materials but you won't share more than a simple paint-job with the player that promotes it, they have their own things, not "Made in China" or Vietnam. Surfaces have been changed for the sake of the spectators, not for something else. The only problem here is that some don't accept new things, such as the blue clay, which was spectacular IMO. Of course, it was just the first year and it might've been slippery because of a small tweak added late, but many just cried cause they didn't like the color. Roger kept his mouth shut and won, Nadal was big mouth all year about it.
 

Banana-Rama

New member
Neah, Sampras would've been owned by Djoker and Nadal hardcore mode.
A Prima Federer vs. Prime Sampras final at Wimbledon would've been nice, but honestly, I'm looking at the 2007 and 2008 and I doubt it would beat them.
We already know youngster Federer vs. Sampras at 28. Mind that at 28 Federer had mononucleosis and was still winning big despite being affected by the disease. Federer was far from his prime in 2001 and still managed to defeat Sampras and ending his Wimbledon glory.

Sampras was a month away from his 31st birthday when federer beat him at wimbledon, neither sampras or federer were at there best at that stage, however it was federer's young legs against sampras' old legs and honestly that match could of gone either way so you cannot really draw any conclusion from that. Federer has been losing to players like tsonga/soderling/murray since going over the age of 30 so why pick on sampras for losing to a young federer when he was nearly 31? Sampras' serving was incredible, in my opinion it would of given him the edge against djokovic/nadal as they don't serve anywhere near as many aces or with the same consistency, and please don't tell me djoko/nadal are better shot makers, sampras could hit winners from anywhere...
 

PaulFCB

Banned
Sampras was a month away from his 31st

Nope, he was 29, my bad, not 28, but not 31.

Federer has been losing to players like tsonga/soderling/murray since going over the age of 30 so why pick on sampras for losing to a young federer when he was nearly 31?

"Players like Murray"? That guy would've been legend in the 90's! The only reason is not is Djokovic, Nadal and Federer :lol:.
Players like Soderling and Tsonga were nr. 5's, Roger wasn't even in the top 10 in 2001, he was like a Dimitrov or Kei today.

Sampras' serving was incredible, in my opinion it would of given him the edge against djokovic/nadal as they don't serve anywhere near as many aces or with the same consistency, and please don't tell me djoko/nadal are better shot makers, sampras could hit winners from anywhere...

Winners against who? Those two guys would've returned his "winners" like he wouldn't even believe it. His serve was the only thing better, but far from giving him any edge over those two overall :).
 
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Banana-Rama

New member
Nope, he was 29, my bad, not 28, but not 31.

my bad on getting his age wrong, i got my dates mixed up, in any case i am not saying here that sampras is superior to federer or otherwise, i think if they were both at there peak at the same time there would of been nothing to choose between them, i think sampras would of pushed himself harder if federer had been around at the same time..

"Players like Murray"? That guy would've been legend in the 90's! The only reason is not is Djokovic, Nadal and Federer :lol:.
Players like Soderling and Tsonga were nr. 5's, Roger wasn't even in the top 10 in 2001, he was like a Dimitrov or Kei today.

Do me a favour, sampras would of destroyed murray's weak ass 50 percent first serve percentage, sampras would of been hitting winners all day long, and murray would not of got anywhere near sampras' serve, sampras was far superior to murray in every aspect, i think you need to go and watch some of sampras' matches in his prime, you obviously have no idea how good he was if you are comparing him to someone like murray. Even if federer was outside the top 10 and 19 years old it was still roger federer, please do not compare a young roger federer to the likes of dmitrov/kei, sampras won his first grand slam at 19 years old so please do not compare sampras/federer at the age of 19 to random players like dmitrov/kei...
 
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AnfieldEd

I am Leg End
Agassi was the best return of serve in Sampras' day.

Djokovic and Murray are the two best return of serve's today so I would hazard a guess that Agassi's record against Sampras would be similar for those two. IMO.

IMO Federer, Nadal and Djokovic can lay claim to being THE best three tennis players of all time. I don't agree with that opinion, however it's not so stupid that it can be disregarded without debate.

I think a prime Sampras in today's game would win A LOT of Grand Slams and push those 4 players in 3 of the 4 tournaments.
 

Catorce

Cruijff's Heir
Anyone watching Nadal vs Djokovic? Entertaining match, quite a lot of errors by both players. Goooooo Nadal! :wub:
 

desoe

New member
I am. But if Rafa wins the second, then it's all over. If Nole pulls it out, then he could enter a Hulk mode again
 

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