The Negreira case

[ajnotkeith]

Like I mentioned before, I would be shocked if this case had anything to do with the Negreira case, considering both the amount of money allegedly involved among the four referees and the timeline of the alleged purchases (quite recent).

Agreed, its probably unlikely they have any link, unless the Negreira case takes a shocking and unexpected twist.


It is worth mentioning though, one of the questions put to Javier Enriquez Negreira was about if he had ever been involved in real estate deals with Josep Contreras. His answer was, of course, no.

 

[Barcelonista001]

“El Barça tiene un plazo límite de la UEFA para resolver unas cuestiones del 'Caso Negreira'”

Dario Montero desveló durante el programa de este jueves que la UEFA le ha impuesto un plazo límite el club azulgrana para presentar unos documentos del...

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[Barcelonista001]

What does he says 🙏🏻

 

[Porque]

UEFA is looking for a reason to sanction.

Funny that they want to push further than the immediate investigation which is in Spain.

Logically they should wait until the Spanish investigation is concluded before passing their judgement.

It could very well be that the documents they request may not be able to be revealed before the Spanish investigation is concluded.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Two huge points just dropped today : Javier Negreira (the son) is now being investigated also for criminality, and the period of time being investigated is now extending from 2001 till the current day, meaning they believe some of these crimes being investigated are still occurring now.
The court has declared that the proceedings will be a secret for a month, at least.

This could be really bad.

 

[ajnotkeith]

UEFA is looking for a reason to sanction.

Funny that they want to push further than the immediate investigation which is in Spain.

Logically they should wait until the Spanish investigation is concluded before passing their judgement.

It could very well be that the documents they request may not be able to be revealed before the Spanish investigation is concluded.

I've said it before, but to be honest, if we look at all the available evidence, the chances we are not guilty is really low. And by the looks of things there is a lot not in the public domain that would point to our guilt as well (the proceedings seem to be going very negatively).

I don't know what degree of access the UEFA inspectors would have, maybe the sports authorities have cooperated with them, or maybe the ref who originally filed the complaint (Estrada Fernandez) may have also sent them evidence relating to the case, but really, we are getting off light with a year out of Europe if that's what it ends out being.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Two huge points just dropped today : Javier Negreira (the son) is now being investigated also for criminality, and the period of time being investigated is now extending from 2001 till the current day, meaning they believe some of these crimes being investigated are still occurring now.
The court has declared that the proceedings will be a secret for a month, at least.

This could be really bad.

Why is his son being investigated for criminality? If all he did was compiling those referee reports for us, what was the merit of the alleged criminality? After all it was his father that was being paid by us for allegedly trying to influence the refrees, right?

Also, extending the period of time being investigated to the present day makes no sense. If we had stopped paying Negreira in 2018 and he ceased to be the vice president of the CTA then, who could possibly be perpetrating what crime since then?

 

[Luftstalag14]

I've said it before, but to be honest, if we look at all the available evidence, the chances we are not guilty is really low. And by the looks of things there is a lot not in the public domain that would point to our guilt as well (the proceedings seem to be going very negatively).

I don't know what degree of access the UEFA inspectors would have, maybe the sports authorities have cooperated with them, or maybe the ref who originally filed the complaint (Estrada Fernandez) may have also sent them evidence relating to the case, but really, we are getting off light with a year out of Europe if that's what it ends out being.

What are the available evidence that you are referring to, and those that are not available? As far as I know, all has been made public is that we paid Negreira or his company 7.3m over the years; while some 600-ish referee reports have been uncovered so far, and there were reports of Negreira claiming that we had 5 demands for him, the exact motive or the nature of the payments has not been established or proven as there was no written contract apparently. Am I missing something? Is Estrada Fernandez alleging that he was being pressured by Negreira to make calls in our favor or something?

 

[Hardy]

where did you read the period of time being investigated is now extending till the current day? On el mundo article they say it's included 2001

 

[ajnotkeith]

What are the available evidence that you are referring to, and those that are not available? As far as I know, all has been made public is that we paid Negreira or his company 7.3m over the years; while some 600-ish referee reports have been uncovered so far, and there were reports of Negreira claiming that we had 5 demands for him, the exact motive or the nature of the payments has not been established or proven as there was no written contract apparently. Am I missing something? Is Estrada Fernandez alleging that he was being pressured by Negreira to make calls in our favor or something?

In the eyes of the court, and the tax authorities, these reports are junk. They don't consider that they corresponded to any payments and have made public statements to that effect, stating payments were found to Negreira which weren't invoiced to anything. The presiding judge also stated that Negreira Jr was a figurehead for the payments and that they were going straight to Negreira Sr. Basically, the reports alibi seems to be totally without grounds in the eyes of the authorities.

The issue is compounded by Negreira Jr saying that he didn't usually make any video reports, and that if he did, it was a thing he only did a couple of times, yet Laporta pulled out like 40 video CDs claiming we got them from Negreira, which contradicts his own version of the services he provided to us.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Why is his son being investigated for criminality? If all he did was compiling those referee reports for us, what was the merit of the alleged criminality? After all it was his father that was being paid by us for allegedly trying to influence the refrees, right?

Also, extending the period of time being investigated to the present day makes no sense. If we had stopped paying Negreira in 2018 and he ceased to be the vice president of the CTA then, who could possibly be perpetrating what crime since then?

I don't know, the information that led them to do that isnt public for now, but the fact is they have extended the investigation to the present day.

One thing that could correspond to it is the fact that after we stopped paying Negreira, he began to earn money from the FCF (Catalan football federation) for the same thing, 'technical advice', though the fees were much reduced. It could be that we were still paying him by proxy after he stopped working for us because of his threat to expose us.

Not much has been shared about Negreira Jr and his role in it and up until now they were claiming he didn't know anything about what was going on, something which must obviously be untrue since he is now a defendant in the case. It could be that he is only being investigated on the additional money laundering charge that they added, but we probably won't know anything more for a while because the case has become closed doors.

 

[ajnotkeith]

where did you read the period of time being investigated is now extending till the current day? On el mundo article they say it's included 2001

Imputan al hijo de Negreira y amplían la investigación hasta la actualidad sumando el delito de blanqueo

El juzgado suma el delito de blanqueo de capitales.

www.libertaddigital.com

"Se amplía, comprendiendo desde el año 2001 hasta el momento actual, el período de tiempo a que se extenderá la investigación de los hechos objeto de la presente causa, así como, objetivamente, al presunto delito de BLANQUEO DE CAPITALES y, subjetivamente, en condición de investigado a la persona de JAVIER ENRÍQUEZ ROMERO (debiendo notificarle tal condición a los efectos oportunos)", concluye el escrito.

 

[DonAK]

I've said it before, but to be honest, if we look at all the available evidence, the chances we are not guilty is really low. And by the looks of things there is a lot not in the public domain that would point to our guilt as well (the proceedings seem to be going very negatively).

Guilty of what exactly? Financial crime?

 

[Luftstalag14]

In the eyes of the court, and the tax authorities, these reports are junk. They don't consider that they corresponded to any payments and have made public statements to that effect, stating payments were found to Negreira which weren't invoiced to anything. The presiding judge also stated that Negreira Jr was a figurehead for the payments and that they were going straight to Negreira Sr. Basically, the reports alibi seems to be totally without grounds in the eyes of the authorities.

The issue is compounded by Negreira Jr saying that he didn't usually make any video reports, and that if he did, it was a thing he only did a couple of times, yet Laporta pulled out like 40 video CDs claiming we got them from Negreira, which contradicts his own version of the services he provided to us.

Yeah, I don't think anybody would be so foolish to believe that we paid 7.3m for those 600-ish referee reports and there is definitely much more to it, however, they still have to establish a criminal motive, intent or however you call it to prove the club is guilty of trying to influence the referees. This is what I am asking, do they have any evidence from anybody, Negreira or his son, or any of the referees so prove such?

 

[Luftstalag14]

I don't know, the information that led them to do that isnt public for now, but the fact is they have extended the investigation to the present day.

One thing that could correspond to it is the fact that after we stopped paying Negreira, he began to earn money from the FCF (Catalan football federation) for the same thing, 'technical advice', though the fees were much reduced. It could be that we were still paying him by proxy after he stopped working for us because of his threat to expose us.

Not much has been shared about Negreira Jr and his role in it and up until now they were claiming he didn't know anything about what was going on, something which must obviously be untrue since he is now a defendant in the case. It could be that he is only being investigated on the additional money laundering charge that they added, but we probably won't know anything more for a while because the case has become closed doors.

That makes zero sense though. Why would we be paying him, by proxy or not, after we officially cut off the payments in 2018? If we were being investigated by the tax authorities back then for paying him all those years, continuing to pay him and worse, concealing the payments through a proxy is even worse, I don't think the club is that stupid. Also, continuing to pay him when he was not in a position to influence any referees makes no sense, unless they are saying it was blackmail.