Thiago Translantara

[Flavia]

Only outcome stays the same. Barca didn't miss him at all winning the treble and his career got stuck in the same place.

And then there's a loyal guy who stuck around and made it here setting example

At the same time there's the examples of deulofeu, montoya, jds, tello, grimaldo, bojan... if you advocate loyalty so much, you such also expect the club to treat the players the same way. Because they never have, and never will.

Munir has been here all his life, is loyal... but so far he doesn't seem to be good enough, and the club won't keep him if he doesn't improve. That's the problem with wanting players to be loyal. Unless this loyal stuff is only valid for the talented players, the ones that are sure to make it big.

 

[JamDav1982]

Thiago had played a lot of minutes and still behind Cesc, Iniesta and Xavi a harder lot to break past than Iniesta, Rakitic and Rafinha in 2015.

Thiago had Pep offering him to got to the European Champions and make him a central player in the team in a style he 100% new and suited.

Roberto had come off a season when he did not really get the minutes to prove himself as a first team player and had the likes of Stoke chasing him. He was promised his chance this season with more minutes at CM and RB.

The difference is Roberto has taken his chance to force his way in Thiago didnt.

Thats what Roberto deserves credit for TAKING HIS CHANCE. Not some false argument about loyalty which is not how players really think.

 

[JamDav1982]

At the same time there's the examples of deulofeu, montoya, jds, tello, grimaldo, bojan... if you advocate loyalty so much, you such also expect the club to treat the players the same way. Because they never have, and never will.

Munir has been here all his life, is loyal... but so far he doesn't seem to be good enough, and the club won't keep him if he doesn't improve. That's the problem with wanting players to be loyal. Unless this loyal stuff is only valid for the talented players, the ones that are sure to make it big.

Munir not been at Barca all that long though.

 

[Barcaman]

Not some false argument about loyalty which is not how players really think.

Damn. You should explain that to Xavi, Puyol and Iniesta.
All of them had juicy offers at some point but ended up staying.

 

[JamDav1982]

Damn. You should explain that to Xavi, Puyol and Iniesta.
All of them had juicy offers at some point but ended up staying.

Yes and they didnt stay for 'loyalty' above anything else.

Puyol move to Betis fell through due to injury, Xavi never moved to AC Milan due to his mother and then never moved to Bayern due to Pep promising to make him the centre piece of the team.

 

[Flavia]

Damn. You should explain that to Xavi, Puyol and Iniesta.
All of them had juicy offers at some point but ended up staying.

You know Xavi almost left twice, right? One time his mother threatened his father with divorce, and in the other pep convinced him to stay, that he wanted the team to be build around Xavi. Funny thing it was bayern luring Xavi,and pep making him stay.

 

[serghei]

Yes and they didnt stay for 'loyalty' above anything else.

Puyol move to Betis fell through due to injury, Xavi never moved to AC Milan due to his mother and then never moved to Bayern due to Pep promising to make him the centre piece of the team.

These stories are nice and all, but in the end, they stayed. I'm sure Maldini had an uncle or smth at some point that knew the manager from some team. And he was close to signing with that team and if he did, he wouldn't have been a Milan legend. But... he didn't. He stayed, and he is a Milan legend and a loyal player for staying with them both in good and in worse times.

If you deny the fact that football is more than performances and taking chances, images like Casillas crying at his departure from Real would not be possible. Or it would be an anomally. Some players get attached to a club in a deeper sense. Some don't. There are others who change teams with the same ease that they would change a car. See Anelka.

 

[Barcaman]

Well said.
Almost leaving don't equate leaving. Everyone feels close to giving up at some point no matter what profession.
It's the outcome that counts.

 

[JamDav1982]

These stories are nice and all, but in the end, they stayed. I'm sure Maldini had an uncle at some point that knew the manager from some team and he was close to signing with them and if he did, he wouldn't have been a Milan legend. Well, he didn't. He stayed, and he is a Milan legend and a loyal player for staying with them both in good and in worse times.

The point is they did not stay for 'loyalty' to Barca. So it is relevant.

Both Xavi and Puyol were ready to leave and circumstances other than loyalty changed that.

If Thiago had fucked his knee the day before Bayern move and it fell through it makes him no more or less loyal.

Good on Maldini but he was always a starter for over 20 years for a team that was hugely successful. Not sure what career move he could have made.

 

[JamDav1982]

Well said.
lmost leaving don't equate leaving. Everyone feels close to giving up at some point no matter what profession.
It's the outcome that counts.

Its the reason for not leaving that counts and it wasnt loyalty it was other circumstances.

As I said if Thiago got injured and move to Bayern fell through does he suddenly become a loyal player?

 

[Barcaman]

Both Xavi and Puyol were ready to leave and circumstances other than loyalty changed that.

That's not true. You are inventing stuff to suit the Thiago argument.

 

[JamDav1982]

That's not true. You are inventing stuff to suit the Thiago argument.

What is not true?

 

[Barcaman]

Its the reason for not leaving that counts and it wasnt loyalty it was other circumstances.

As I said if Thiago got injured and move to Bayern fell through does he suddenly become a loyal player?

He becomes nothing he wasn't already. You are making assumptions in hindsight. Bayern move, or any move, wouldn't have happened.
Bottom line is what counts.

 

[serghei]

The point is they did not stay for 'loyalty' to Barca. So it is relevant

I think it's very difficult to say that for sure. You don't know if loyalty had a part or not. You assume. It's impossible to know for sure.

 

[Flavia]

That's not true. You are inventing stuff to suit the Thiago argument.

He's not, Bojan. It wasn't loyalty that made them stay. Google and you'll see Puyol didn't sign for Betis for injury, and Xavi didn't decide to stay just because he loved Barça. There were external factors. A lot of things can make a player stay or go. But to label them a traitor it needs to be something way more serious than deciding to leave.