Thomas Muller

[ASordidGod]

Funny how this technically limited player somehow manages to be on number two in assists with 14 assists this season in the 5 top leagues having only played 1898 minutes (Kevin de Bruyne leads with 15 assists and 1028 minutes more) - especially as he only had one assist during the first 500 minutes when Ancelotti was still coach there.

His xA (the equal to expected goals for the assistant of the chances) per 90 minutes is 0,48 - Messi 0,47 - Vazquez/Suarez each 0,36 - KdB 0,39 - Özil/Mkhitaryan 0,38 - Neymar 0,62 - so no, that is nothing really surprising especially as he is just about 3 or 4 assists away from leading the historical assist charts for the Bundesliga since assists were counted in 1989.

The offensives of Bayern made their CL goals in the final stage in the CL always when Müller was working centrally with 4 offensives - when they play with 3 midfielders and only 3 offensives, no matter who that is, they do not have open play goals or assists by their offensives as they then dominate ball possession but get static in front. That is nothing new but can be seen the last 6 or 7 years. Bayern gets predictable then. Robben's injury destroyed the match plan.

Müller is underrated because the influence of movement, tactical play, match intelligence and team play are underrated.

a) Without meaning to be (too) offensive, Bundesliga is a farce these days, with Bayern so far ahead of the competition of course their attacking players are going to rack up good (but ultimately misleading\irrelevant) stats. And b) yet again, to clarify, it's his technique, or rather the lack of it, that I'm taking issue with. A fact which you seemed to allude to in your opening sentence, yet had apparently forgotten by the end of your reply, in that the attributes you claim Muller posseses (attributes which I'm not even denying btw) have nothing to do with technique, but rather are the kinds of qualities one develops as COMPENSATION for a lack of technique. Like I say, I'm willing to acknowledge Muller's off the ball qualities, but if he could actually do anything with it Bayern would be in the final. Not that it was all Muller's fault - injuries, individual mistakes, Lewandowski wilting under the pressure; these were all contributing factors - it's just that for me, watching, and indeed willing Bayern to win, it was his ungainliness, his clumsy touches and snatched wild swings when attempting to shoot, is what stood out.

 

[Question17]

a) I've already justified my opinion as far as I feel the need to in a later post. b) You're seriously trying to imply that his trophy haul negates what I've said/proves him good TECHNICALLY (which is my issue with him)? O'Shea anyone?

x) I liked your first post so much better, it was to the point and a quality barca forum style post after a player has a bad game or a lost match.
q) I would never imply that your eye test opinion of how good a player is TECHNICALLY is less important than something as meaningless as titles won. Who cares about titles, Douglas won titles and he didn't even play so really Muller might as well have been in the stands with the fans thats how little those things matter. You are absolutely right he is a terrible player who's only qualities are off the ball(the farther away he is from that ball the better for bayern)

 

[ASordidGod]

x) I liked your first post so much better, it was to the point and a quality barca forum style post after a player has a bad game or a lost match.
q) I would never imply that your eye test opinion of how good a player is TECHNICALLY is less important than something as meaningless as titles won. Who cares about titles, Douglas won titles and he didn't even play so really Muller might as well have been in the stands with the fans thats how little those things matter. You are absolutely right he is a terrible player who's only qualities are off the ball(the farther away he is from that ball the better for bayern)

Not sure why I'm bothering here, seeing as you'll willfully misinterpret everything I say anyway, but my point wasn't that titles don't matter, only that a title in of itself is by no means an accurate barrometer of talent, and absolutely it's not an accurate barrometer of technique. In my opinion, and yes that really is all I'm basing this on, Muller is, technically speaking, way below the level I would expect of a player at a club like bayern. I'm not denying that he's effective (at least in Bundesliga, and for a while internationally less so recently), I'm simply stating that I don't rate him personally, for what that's worth.

 

[Yannik]

Technique isn't ultimatively necessary to be wordclass. As long as you have enough of it to hold possession and create chances you can cope at a top club, provided that you can back it up with other features, such as decision making, vision, movement, quick thinking, work rates etc. The end product is important, not the way you achieved it.

 

[serghei]

Technique isn't ultimatively necessary to be wordclass. As long as you have enough of it to hold possession and create chances you can cope at a top club, provided that you can back it up with other features, such as decision making, vision, movement, quick thinking, work rates etc. The end product is important, not the way you achieved it.

Yea, but sort of depends on the team. More direct teams can do without tidy players on the ball. For teams who like to dominate possession and break the opponent up... that's a bit harder to do without very technical players who can't destabilize the opponents.

 

[Luftstalag14]

If you don’t have work rate and movement, you can have all the techniques in the world and you still won’t go far.

 

[te amo barca]

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It was a pleasure to watch this amazing performance tonight. Chapeau ������" [@esmuellert_]

 

[JamDav1982]

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It was a pleasure to watch this amazing performance tonight. Chapeau ������" [@esmuellert_]

Thomas wants signed.

Not today Tommy. Not today.

 

[Barcilliant]

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It was a pleasure to watch this amazing performance tonight. Chapeau ������" [@esmuellert_]

This guy was s always insulting and trolling us. What happened to him?

 

[topt]

This guy was s always insulting and trolling us. What happened to him?

when did he ever do that

 

[serghei]

This guy was s always insulting and trolling us. What happened to him?

Everybody was trolling us and insulting us because we were so good. Now that we are not at the top anymore, we are starting to draw underdog sympathy. Wait 3-4 years and everyone will hopefully hate us again.

 

[fergus90]

I've always liked Muller, seems like a playful character. The unfortunate thing is the guy always seem to score against us.

 

[KingLeo10]

This guy was s always insulting and trolling us. What happened to him?

AFAIK he hasn't talked shit about Guardiola's Barca or the 14-15 Barca/Bayern encounter.

19/20...all of Bayern knew this team was finished and just there for the taking, and 21-22 group stages, it was even worse. Maybe he just calls it like he sees it. Still arrogant and punchable though.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Actually based on his comments, he felt maybe a bit disappointed how bad we became. (In the CL group stage).

Maybe closet Barca fan

 

[DonAK]

He calls it as he sees it for sure. Did also say after beating us that our biggest issue was lack of intensity.

I also think he really dislikes Real Madrid so probably enjoyed seeing them lose too