UEFA Champions League 2015/16

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serghei

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True. That is why people are more obsessed by it than they should. You have to be focused the most on things that depend on your control more. You have no guarantees that if you are the best team in that year you will win the CL, because of it's format.

We haven't won more CLs like Madrid did it this year, only because we won 80% of them recently, in our time of domination. But we will win some CLs in the future without necessarily be the best team in the world. We won it in 2006, 2009, 2011, 2015 while being the best team in the world imo. 3 of those were doubles, and 2 were trebles. But in the future, when we will not be as dominant and maybe Messi, Iniesta, Pique etc. will retire, we can win it in a different way.

Right now, we are dominating, and we are revolted other teams win the CL with luck and everything. But it will come a time when others are in that position and we will snitch a CL like that.
 
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barcafan161

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also I don't think we are winning CL next season unless messi comes out swinging hard like he did in 14/15 , putting in 100% effort, determination, and discipline. who we bring in is sort of irrelevant as an off rhythm messi just damages our play so much.

You need luck to win CL

Real had a lot of it
 

i_bleed_blaugrana

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Mate, after reading similar posts, it sounds as if a CL is always won by a team who is a king of the world in that season.
I mean, some of our (Barca's) Cl titles were really in that fashion, but in majority of cases, a CL is won by teams who were way weaker than the current Real.

2004: Porto, in knockout rounds won against:
-- Man. Utd, Lyon, Deportivo and Monaco, lol
-- were they the best team in that season? Lol, no
-- who cares and remembers that today?

2005: Liverpool
-- ended 5th in EPL with +37 points (lol) behind Chelsea
-- were they the BEST team in Europe in that season?
-- hell no

2007: Ac Milan
-- ended as 4th in Serie A with +36 (lol again) behind Inter
-- were they the best team in Europe, lol?

2012: Chelsea
-- 6th in EPL

Also, Real's last 5 CL titles:
-- 1998: 4th in La Liga
-- 2000: 5th in La Liga
-- 2002: 3rd in La Liga
-- 2014: 3rd in La Liga
-- 2016: 2nd in La Liga

So, Real won (their) last 5 CL finals in a row.
Plus, in neither of those seasons they were champions of La liga.

CL is not about consistency and playing beautiful for 12 Months.
It is about some luck, mental strength, motivation and hot-form in March-April-May.


See I think there have been teams, particularly us, who have demonstrated that the CL is about consistency and domination. That's why the fluky ones are so annoying, they take away from teams that earned it. The CL winner isn't always the best team in Europe overall but they are usually the best team in the tournament or upset the best team in Europe or the tournament.

Milan 2007 had Kaka at his most unplayable, so while they arguably weren't the best in Europe that season, they had the best player in the world, so that wasn't pure luck.

Liverpool 2005 beat Milan when they were the best team in Europe, they also knocked out Chelsea on their way, so that wasn't luck either.

But Chelsea 2012, now and Porto 2004 take the cake for the biggest flukes in this tournament so far. Like someone said prior, Real really should have won it in 2012 when they got dumped out by Bayern in PKs. That was them at their best, even better than when they won La Decima.

Outside of those three and I'd argue Inter 2010, the best team in Europe that season has usually won the tournament but I think there too many factors due to the format of the tournament that create dubious results at times. For example, I hate that teams aren't seeded, the away goal rule (I get it due to fatigue of the players but there are better and more exciting ways of settling ties) and that there isn't a set tournament bracket, like almost every other major sports championship and even the World Cup if you think it's Americanism bias.

I just want to close by saying I'm almost more mad at Atletico than Real at this point bc I really wish we could have played the Athletico we saw tonight. Real wasn't playing that well but particularly in the 1st half, I hardly recognized them. Disjointed in possession and sloppy defending with some particularly poor marking. Koke was invisible, Torres was shit and its a wonder how Carrasco didn't start from the get go. Why, oh why, couldn't Real have drawn Atletico in the quarters instead of us? Really think that draw alone sealed our fate in CL, mainly due to how familiar they were with seeing our attack.

As much as that draw sucked and was terrible luck on us, the difference with our title defense this season and say in 2010 and 2012 was we lost to the better team over the two legs. We only put together one half where we truly played at our best (1st leg, 2nd half), otherwise we were pretty shit and our approach at the Calderon was a joke. Against Chelsea and Inter, that was not the case. I will always feel comfortable in pinning Inter 2010 on the refs. Irrespective of the mistakes they made in the first leg, that disallowed Bojan goal was a true injustice (far greater than the "conspiracy" Chelsea moaned about during the Miracle at the Bridge in 2009). Speaking of Chelsea, 2012 hurt just as much bc we played so well in both legs and to keep missing those chances was just shocking. So those two hurt far more than this one and at least this time, I finished the tie thinking the better team won.

Overall this was just a shit CL, from start to finish with a boring as fuck final that will surely be forgotten. I still believe Messi has enough time left in his career to defend a CL title. Hopefully Real just get cocky, think they are the best in Europe so Fiorentino will sell 2 key players this summer that destabilizes the team and we storm back next season for another treble, something Real STILL hasn't pulled off.

Good night cules, just remember this as you go to sleep:

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El Flaco

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Sadly, Real Madrid have a history of scoring offside-goals...

They won the CL-final against Juventus back in 1998 thanks to Predrag Mijatović's offside goal.

 
True. That is why people are more obsessed by it than they should. You have to be focused the most on things that depend on your control more. You have no guarantees that if you are the best team in that year you will win the CL, because of it's format.

We haven't won more CLs like Madrid did it this year, only because we won 80% of them recently, in our time of domination. But we will win some CLs in the future without necessarily be the best team in the world. We won it in 2006, 2009, 2011, 2015 while being the best team in the world imo. 3 of those were doubles, and 2 were trebles. But in the future, when we will not be as dominant and maybe Messi, Iniesta, Pique etc. will retire, we can win it in a different way.

Right now, we are dominating, and we are revolted other teams win the CL with luck and everything. But it will come a time when others are in that position and we will snitch a CL like that.

Naw dude, we don't have that kind of luck. We play like shit, we lose. Real or Chelsea plays like shit, their opponents miss millions of chances (or they get lucky some other way), they get a lucky goal and win.

I can't remember the last time we won playing like shit. Fall 2012? And if you want the last time we won playing badly in a big game, you have to go all the way back to... Chelsea 2009.

If that were us against Atletico, Griezman's penalty would have ricocheted off the crossbar into the net, Juanfran's would have done the same off the post and Oblak would have saved all of our penalties. And he'd probably have somehow stopped the goal too (assuming the offside doesn't get called to begin with which, of course, it would have been) :lol:

If we had Real's luck we would have won every CL from 2009 on. Except maybe 2012; Chelsea is the only team that has more luck than Real. The disallowed goal vs Inter would have stood and we'd probably even have been able to fluke a win against Bayern in 2013, with all their goals hitting the woodwork instead of going in like our chances against Chelsea.
 
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El Flaco

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I guess it hurts because it was sooo undeserved. So, so undeserved. Pathetic Roma with new coach, 10th Bundesliga team known as Wolfsburg who they barely beat, then Silva less City that played like they couldn't give a fuck but they still had to nick own goal to finally meet Atletico in final, score offside goal, stumble into Grizman missing penalty and then winning on penalties.

Just horrible...

When they won in 2014 I couldn't stand them, but they were pretty good that year no doubt. They still were pretty bad until 70th minute and then goal in 93th, but god...this is horrible.


Real Madrid got the "almighty" Schalke in round of 16.
They got a heavily weakened Borussia Dortmund as several of their starters missed due to injuries or suspensions.
Pep made the mistake by having a high back line against a deadly counter attacking players.
And Atlético de Madrid missed Arda Turan and Diego Costa was forced to leave the pitch after 10 minutes.
 

mehdimike

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Nah they choked. They let the inferior team win despite being on top. Missed two penalties while their opposition missed none. They were totally in control after their goal up until the end of ET and they didn't push for the winner. Almost like they were more worried about conceding more than trying to score when your opposition is playing shit.

I guess in both ETs,by far Real had more control and chances.
 

FC B

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With respect, Chelsea CL win was the most undeserved win in history of the CL. Noone tops that sorry

No, Chelsea played that campaign against the best teams in competition Barca and Bayern and managed to win the trophy.
By comparison Atletico this year also managed to eliminate the best two Barca and Bayern but lost in the final. So ofc, this is the most undeserved winner of CL.
 

DennyCrane

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As usual, the press derps around again after yesterday's final: "Heroic defense", "Real's ecstasy", "Big game player Ronaldo", "Zidane bestest coach in ze world" yada yada yada.

Not even one journalist on planet Earth is willing nor able to state the obvious truth that Real played total garbage and only got to ET with an offside goal, that Ronaldo was invisible for 120 minutes, that Zidane is the new di Matteo, and that it takes way more balls for a player like Griezmann to step up for the shootout when he missed a pen in the game already than it takes for the heroic Commander. Also, they conveniently sweep the fact that Real delivered one of the worst CL matches of all time vs ManC and barely beat Wolfsburg under the rug, while also being silent about the fact that Atletico beat the best two teams in the world on their way to the final. One known retard over at Der Spiegel calls it a deserved victory. Yeah, go fuck yourself.

I think I need a break from this sport, this is just too much.
 

mehdimike

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No, Chelsea played that campaign against the best teams in competition Barca and Bayern and managed to win the trophy.
By comparison Atletico this year also managed to eliminate the best two Barca and Bayern but lost in the final. So ofc, this is the most undeserved winner of CL.

Well again I call it just pure luck in draws.
Real were better than Roma Wolf and City and at worst had an equal game against AM.

Was Chelsea better than Barca or Bayern in 2012?
 
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FC B

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It wasn't better than any of the two but it had to playe against the best teams, rm only played Europa League teams up until the semis where thay faced the weakest CL semifinalist I've ever seen Shitty and got to the final where they managed to go to ET by an offside goal only to win it on pks. This is crazy.
 
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