BarçaBarça
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A bit sad that PL-teams will have so much better coaches than our new one (Pochettino, Klopp, Conte, Pep etc.).
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Barcilliant
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The squad needs a good kick up the ass not more pampering from a yes man. Unzue would be a disaster.
It's about time we buy some more world class players and get a manager who forces the players out of their comfort zone.
BBZ8800
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So, basically, if we had prime Xavi, we could dominate for 100-200 years in a row with the same system and formation and opponents would just never learn how to play against that system?
Barcilliant
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Apparently Valverde is the favourite. Lol. Huge club that we are but we never go for big name managers.
This board has no imagination.
This board has no imagination.
Windhook
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Well, apparently the media has a lot of imagination.
Valverde: It's not true I've told the president I will leave Athletic Club
serghei
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If we had the 2011 team for 100 years, with the conditions regarding training, diet etc. remaining as they are now, we would dominate for 100 years or until a better team comes up, which I haven't seen yet.
It has nothing to do with the opponents figuring us out. Everybody knew what we played. It was very out in the open. There was no trick, no catch involved. Just a bunch of players with insane passing skills arresting the ball and making world class teams give up playing and bunker down in desperation. The problem is that sometimes the opponent is so good that knowing what he is going to do doesn't mean you can stop it from happening. That was the 2011 team. You think that we declined because the opponents figured us out? That's wrong imo. We declined because it's a natural process and because things really go in cycles.
If the 2011 team would have played, say, a best of 10 duel against any team in history, they would have won. That's true in 2011, 2016, 2017 and probably will be true for a long time.
If Valverde fails, we will be forced to go for a big name in 2018.
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BBZ8800
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That team already had problems in the 4th year due to lower motivation and opponents learning to neutralize us easier.
Imagine what would happen after 5, 10 or 20 years even if Pep stayed here.
Just look at how poorly Man utd defended in Cl finals back then compared to how any midtable la liga team successfully defended against us in 2012 and 2013.
Man utd played "a normal" defense.
While all midtable teams after 4-5 years started to play specialized defense, proven to work against Barca.
In the beginning it was: wtf, how to defend against this and each team tried their own way of defending.
In the end it was just: all teams started to play exactly the same because that way was causing us problems in 1 games out of 3.
The same is how real is currently scoring goals after crosses.
Opponents will eventually learn how to concede less goals against their set pieces and late match crosses.
They wont be scoring in the same way for 20 years in a row. Not because their players will got weaker but because 1-2 teams will learn how to neutralize them and then all teams will copy that way and all opponents will play in a way which was proven to be the most efficient against them.
That id exactly what happened in Pep's case.
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serghei
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[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], I wasn't talking about losses in motivation. I was talking about them being tactically found out. There were always matches in which the opponent managed to score more goals from less chances against us. That doesn't mean we were tactically found out.
When you say that the opponents learned to neutralize us faster under Pep, it means the opponents managed to consistently deny us goal scoring chances. Did that happen? No. Almost never.
We created more chances to score in virtually 99% of the games we played in our peak. When we lost it was almost always because we were bad at converting our chances, and the opponents were very good at that. That can't be down to other teams doing a great job. A great job is to manage to deny chances to score for the other team, not hope the other team misses a lot.
A team is tactically found out when the opponent stops them from creating goal scoring chances and that opponent creates more chances of their own. Did that seriously happen in Pep's time? No.
When you say that the opponents learned to neutralize us faster under Pep, it means the opponents managed to consistently deny us goal scoring chances. Did that happen? No. Almost never.
We created more chances to score in virtually 99% of the games we played in our peak. When we lost it was almost always because we were bad at converting our chances, and the opponents were very good at that. That can't be down to other teams doing a great job. A great job is to manage to deny chances to score for the other team, not hope the other team misses a lot.
A team is tactically found out when the opponent stops them from creating goal scoring chances and that opponent creates more chances of their own. Did that seriously happen in Pep's time? No.
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Windhook
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khaled_a_d
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And some still believe he should be an option
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...avi-manchester-city-bid-dele-alli-hates-says/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...avi-manchester-city-bid-dele-alli-hates-says/
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Is this a joke?
Barcilliant
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LoL@ Pochettino!
He had win nothing but cl spots and he acts like he's the next big thing.
He had win nothing but cl spots and he acts like he's the next big thing.
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