Willian

[DonAK]

Because we also need another attacking player?

If we sign Thiago or Pjanic for 80m+, chances are we aren't going to have the funds for an forward player. I'm sure if we had the funds, we would be after those two other than Rabiot.

If we can sign Rabiot for a discounted amount as he is on the final year of his contract, then I don't see the harm in having him in the team.

I would rather spend 70-80m on Pjanic or 50m on Thiago than 70m on Willian if those are my options.

The midfield should be the first priority and we need quality there. We've shat the bed when it comes to the MF too many times to go for the cheap option again. I mean, haven't the club learned by now? Haven't you as fans learned yet with all these cheap signings or no signings the last years? We need quality now, we already have talents that may or may not become good enough to start and the same goes for Rabiot who is not a better player than Rakitic.

 

[Jombi]

Lemar, Aouar, Rabiot.

None of them are the solution. We need an established midfield player. Rabiot is not an outstanding talent we should fight PSG till death for. We already have Arthur, Alena and possibly even De Jong next season as our talents. We need an established MF player. We have Coutinho and then Rakitic who's played a shitload of games. We need someone who can challenge Rakitic and even displace him in a 4-3-3 with our talents getting minutes spread.

If we want to win the CL now then we need someone better. It's plain and simple. No one here cared about Rabiot until MD started linking him with us and people realized his contract runs out next year.

I'd rather sign someone like Pjanic, Thiago despite his injuries and other players. Players that might not be World Class, but are very good and could challenge Rakitic big time for a starting spot strengthening our team and not standing in the way for our other talented players.

The last outstanding MF talent in that age bracket that I would have signed was Isco years ago. Rabiot is far away from being in the same class.

Are these players even available? Thiago, Pjanic? Its not like they have a year left on their contract but they do play for very wealthy teams. Considering the enormous number of players we pay wages to at the moment, I doubt the viability of such transfers.

 

[Joan]

Myself don't rate Pjanić that high. Thiago is good, but wouldn't trade Rakitić for him. Without Ivan, we'd be left without a starter quite often.

Thiago/Ivan would be good.

 

[DonAK]

I have a very simple question:

Would you rather have another attacker like Willian for 70m or someone like Pjanic for 70/80m or Thiago for 50/60m?

Pjanic's agent has met with Chelsea and Barcelona recently and Di Marzio reported Juve would be willing to listen to an offer if he want to leave, even though their priority is to renew his contract. Bayern want to sell Thiago since Niko Kovac plays a 3-4-2-1 with two B2B MFs in the middle and they want to "Re-Germanize" their team or some shit.

What puts us in a better position to compete for the CL trophy?

 

[Jombi]

Myself don't rate Pjanić that high. Thiago is good, but wouldn't trade Rakitić for him. Without Ivan, we'd be left without a starter quite often.

Thiago/Ivan would be good.

Yes, Pjanic would be a sign of the terrible market at the moment, chasing him for big money and Juve very likely dismissing us. IMO, now that Fabinho and Naby Keita are gone, the best options in midfield are Ndombele, Aouar and De Jong, for the appropriate price of course. Lets say 40-50m for the first two and somewhat less for De Jong. I dont consider superstars from rich clubs. We are not signing Pogba, De Bruyne etc.

I have no idea why Pjanic and Thiago would be even close to those prices if they are at all available.

 

[Givenchy]

I have a very simple question:

Would you rather have another attacker like Willian for 70m or someone like Pjanic for 70/80m or Thiago for 50/60m?

Pjanic's agent has met with Chelsea and Barcelona recently and Di Marzio reported Juve would be willing to listen to an offer if he want to leave, even though their priority is to renew his contract. Bayern want to sell Thiago since Niko Kovac plays a 3-4-2-1 with two B2B MFs in the middle and they want to "Re-Germanize" their team or some shit.

What puts us in a better position to compete for the CL trophy?

70mil for Thiago OR Pjanic is a no brainer if the alternative is an average player near 30 who will take minutes away from a player whos already better at 21 (Dembele)

if people actually watch the PL Chelsea matches you'd see just how inconsistent Willian is

 

[Devils]

I would rather spend 70-80m on Pjanic or 50m on Thiago than 70m on Willian if those are my options.

The midfield should be the first priority and we need quality there. We've shat the bed when it comes to the MF too many times to go for the cheap option again. I mean, haven't the club learned by now? Haven't you as fans learned yet with all these cheap signings or no signings the last years? We need quality now, we already have talents that may or may not become good enough to start and the same goes for Rabiot who is not a better player than Rakitic.

I don't know where you are getting those numbers from but I think both those players would cost much more than that in this market. But yes, if it came to Pjanic + an attacking player I would opt for Pjanic.

If you want quality, I don't understand going after Thiago, a player riddled by injuries through his entire career and has had a very difficult overcoming them.

I would easily take Rabiot/De Jong and Willian over someone injury prone as him.

As for Pjanic, again I doubt if we sign him we would get an attacker too because I think his transfer fee would be towards 100m.

 

[Joan]

Yes, Pjanic would be a sign of the terrible market at the moment, chasing him for big money and Juve very likely dismissing us. IMO, now that Fabinho and Naby Keita are gone, the best options in midfield are Ndombele, Aouar and De Jong, for the appropriate price of course. Lets say 40-50m for the first two and somewhat less for De Jong. I dont consider superstars from rich clubs. We are not signing Pogba, De Bruyne etc.

I have no idea why Pjanic and Thiago would be even close to those prices if they are at all available.

But those are not solutions. Promising talents who might turn out good or not. I particularly like Aouar. But that's not what we need right now, not that it wouldn't be welcome.

 

[Jombi]

I have a very simple question:

Would you rather have another attacker like Willian for 70m or someone like Pjanic for 70/80m or Thiago for 50/60m?

Pjanic's agent has met with Chelsea and Barcelona recently and Di Marzio reported Juve would be willing to listen to an offer if he want to leave, even though their priority is to renew his contract. Bayern want to sell Thiago since Niko Kovac plays a 3-4-2-1 with two B2B MFs in the middle and they want to "Re-Germanize" their team or some shit.

What puts us in a better position to compete for the CL trophy?

Obviously both of those two should be signed for 50m+70m if there is some truth to that. That's real value in the market. But I just cant believe it until it actually happens. Those prices dont make sense to me unless there is something I dont know about.

 

[Jombi]

But those are not solutions. Promising talents who might turn out good or not. I particularly like Aouar. But that's not what we need right now, not that it wouldn't be welcome.

I think they are the best solutions, barring us having the money to splash 200m on some midfield superstar which I very much doubt we have or that some rich club would be interested in selling their starter. So we are stuck with looking at great young players who still play for smaller/selling teams in the best leagues in the world, like France, Italy, Germany etc.

 

[Devils]

The most reasonable assumptions to make is that the Griezmann money is what will be invested into the next signings.

Thiago or Pjanic would require that entire sum or very close to it on their own.

Rabiot/De Jong and William would likely cost around 100m together.

 

[Tekkers]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] what you say about coaches not trusting Dembele is not accurate.

Most of Dortmund fans believe he was their second best player throughout 2016-17 season. Some even say he was more important than Aubameyang. Tuchel was and admirer and had a high opinion on him interviews.

In national team, at first Deschamps plan was to play without a no 9 and Dembele was up there with Mbappe and Griezmann. It didn't workout so one of those 3 must've been dropped and it's clear that Dembele is not a better player than Griezmann or Mbappe. It's not a matter of trust, it's just that they are both among the best and clearly better than current Dembele at. If Deschamps favored Thauvin over him then i would agree that he doesn't rate Dembele that high but you can't really conclude anything in this case. Do you think Willian would start over them? The only thing you can say is Dembele and Fekir are next behind Griezmann and Mbappe.

And also keep in mind Dembele was called up over other decent players like Martial or Coman. The French squad is stacked with quality players.

So, the only manager who clearly doesn't seem to rate Dembele is EV. I don't believe EV is an idiot, as i don't believe Mourinho is idiot even though he made mistake on KDB, Salah, Lukaku and possibly Martial. But he's making a mistake by being too coward and short-sighted.

 

[Donatello]

I hope you're joking

No, I'm not.

Chelsea want to offload Willian, so that they could play Hudson Odoi. And despite being 17 year old, Chelsea are willing to offer him a new contract plus a first team spot.

He is definitely on par with Vinicius, Rodrygo, maybe even better.

Plus many big clubs such as Madrid, Juve, and even us are interested in him because he hasn't signed a new contract yet.

If you haven't watched him, just watch it once, then talk.

I know they have less than 50% chance to actually live up to potential, but I would rater risk him rather than going for willian.

 

[Joan]

So, the only manager who clearly doesn't seem to rate Dembele is EV. I don't believe EV is an idiot, as i don't believe Mourinho is idiot even though he made mistake on KDB, Salah, Lukaku and possibly Martial. But he's making a mistake by being too coward and short-sighted.

Yet Valverde plays Dembele and Deschamps doesn't.

 

[JamDav1982]

No, I'm not.

Chelsea want to offload Willian, so that they could play Hudson Odoi. And despite being 17 year old, Chelsea are willing to offer him a new contract plus a first team spot.

He is definitely on par with Vinicius, Rodrygo, maybe even better.

Plus many big clubs such as Madrid, Juve, and even us are interested in him because he hasn't signed a new contract yet.

If you haven' watched him, just watch it once, then talk.

Chelsea dont want to offload Willian and certainly not for some 17 year old.

Would bet had never heard of him until read Chelsea forum in last few days or looked at that list of young players published on that scouting twitter.

Big clubs will want him as a potential punt not a first team player.