Would you sign Luis Suarez?

Would you sign Luis Suarez?

  • Yes

    Votes: 78 46.7%
  • No

    Votes: 89 53.3%

  • Total voters
    167

XaviMessiGirl

New member
It's not only a question of "morality" though. He's banned for the first two months, and if he does something again he'll just keep getting banned for even longer each time. That hurts a club, whichever one he'll be at next season.
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
It's not only a question of "morality" though. He's banned for the first two months, and if he does something again he'll just keep getting banned for even longer each time. That hurts a club, whichever one he'll be at next season.

I maintain my opinion that Luis Enrique would be able to control Luis Suarez IF he were to come here. Besides the look on his face, IMO, tells all. He was devastated when he'd realized the gravity of what he'd done. And not to mention that he, unlike the last few times, looked to be in severe pain after the bite. More so than Giorgio himself.
 
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Flavia

Guest
I don't know what morality has to do with it, don andres. His problem is he is a raven lunatic, and a dirty player. We'd have a Pepe-like player, who would be crushed harder in spain by the rm media than how he was in england. And who would hurt the team as soon as he had one of his episodes. Be it biting, pulling hair, punching, you name it.
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
I don't know what morality has to do with it, don andres. His problem is he is a raven lunatic, and a dirty player. We'd have a Pepe-like player, who would be crushed harder in spain by the rm media than how he was in england. And who would hurt the team as soon as he had one of his episodes. Be it biting, pulling hair, punching, you name it.

Well the fact that suddenly people have a problem with rule-breaking and being 'dirty' when they were fully willing to illegally throw a game to spite rivals is pretty ironic but that's a bit of a tangent from the specifics of Suarez himself so I won't bother focusing on it.

The point is that a player shouldn't be turned away solely for the reason that they are dirty when they have so much talent to make up for it. Suarez's positive output in goals and performances far outweighs the consequences of his dark side. This principle been visible with both players you've mentioned in your post this season that the 'undesirable' part of their game is massively overshadowed by their quality:

-Pepe went through the season with Real Madrid being an extremely reliable CB who performed well on several crucial occasions for them even when Ramos was up and down in form. He was key in helping them get both the CDR and CL titles. Throughout all of that, he got a whopping total of 0 red cards and less bookings than Mascherano!! He can snap (as shown vs Germany) but that's often a small part of an otherwise very positive output for Real Madrid. He's dirty and easy to hate, he won't win any fair play awards in his lifetime, but the results he's shown under Ancelotti speak for themselves (a coach that got the best out of him).

-Suarez performed to the maximum level this club season for Liverpool winning the Golden Boot, the European Golden Shoe, Player of the year, etc. and leading them to a legitimate title challenge when they finished 7th last year! He went through the club season without a single incident under the guidance of a responsible coach like Rodgers. Again, he has the potential to commit unbelievably stupid and dirty actions (biting, handballs, punches) but the overall impact he makes is extremely positive. Lucho is the kind of authoritative guiding coach that can hopefully minimize the amount of outbreaks he has. Suarez's attitude was stellar under Rodgers the entire season despite some very frustrating and tense matches (Mourinho's Chelsea comes to mind). Lucho rallies his players and earns their respect/trust so I believe he can encourage Suarez to show his good side more often.

I'm not approving of Suarez's actions at all and I agree that he should be punished for what he did. However I think that bringing him in (under the right circumstances) is the kind of risk worth taking. He may not have a stainless character or record but having a player of his caliber in our team can prove crucial in our attempt to get back to the top.
 

Clockwise

Buccaneer
...And not to mention that he, unlike the last few times, looked to be in severe pain after the bite. More so than Giorgio himself.

He fouls then throws himself on the ground as if he was shot to death, his recent reaction means he has mastered his skills at play acting,man.
 
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Flavia

Guest
The point is that a player shouldn't be turned away solely for the reason that they are dirty when they have so much talent to make up for it. Suarez's positive output in goals and performances far outweighs the consequences of his dark side. This principle been visible with both players you've mentioned in your post this season that the 'undesirable' part of their game is massively overshadowed by their quality:
All liverpool fans I know are saying the opposite, are fed up with him, and want him gone. So I don't think your notion is correct.
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
All liverpool fans I know are saying the opposite, are fed up with him, and want him gone. So I don't think your notion is correct.

Those fans are angry at him for repeating the same offense and are fed up with his antics, which is an emotional reaction and a sign of his dwindling popularity among fans. That doesn't indicate that his overall output as a player was negative. Liverpool wouldn't have achieved what they did this season without him, he essentially carried the club. No matter how angry their fans are, I doubt they are stupid enough to underestimate the importance of Suarez's overall output for them. Hell they may want him gone now but if he ends up staying and goes on another scoring binge after his ban ends then I'm sure a majority will love him again. Some fans will be too disappointed by his actions to truly admire him again but that doesn't change the fact that he's immense for them on a sporting level.

If Suarez and Pepe (two players well known to be maniacs when they snap) aren't worth their baggage then how come they both played such important roles in helping their respective clubs achieve historic seasons? Hell even Maradona engaged in a lot of 'taboo' acts with the cocaine abuse, drug scandals, and violence yet he's one of the greatest footballers of all time.


With so many legendary players that were so controversial yet still accepted (Maradona, Cantona, Stoichkov, Zidane) are you really gonna brand Suarez as an 'untouchable' just for his biting? That kind of thinking is narrow minded in the face of so many other factors to think of which favor Suarez (how much he'd help our sporting ambitions, how he's the most elite player in the 'mobile 9' profile that Lucho wants for his system, how we need to get the best players in our squad to challenge a RM side that is much improved under Ancelotti and an Atletico side that's now confident after breaking the duopoly). He's a dirty player, a media nightmare, and a potential risk but given his sheer quality I'd be very open to bringing him here.
 

ViscaBarca914

BLASPHEMY!
I would. There is so much potential upside. We all know his quality and what he can bring to the team football wise. I'm a Reus fanboy but Suarez would be even better for the team. You just don't get a better attack than messi, Neymar, Suarez. If he comes and brings his form with him everyone will love him in no time. I think he could really enjoy himself with us and not be so wound up on the pitch. I mean Barcelona had always been his dream club from what I understand.
He may be a bit of a nut but he definitely isn't a bad guy. The racism thing was bullshit and the biting and other on pitch antics WILL be addressed by lucho and whoever else at the club. He doesn't have ego problems like irba. He learns and adapts and conquers. I think we could be a great match for him.
 

DennyCrane

Senior Member
It's not only a question of "morality" though. He's banned for the first two months, and if he does something again he'll just keep getting banned for even longer each time. That hurts a club, whichever one he'll be at next season.

I'm fairly certain that the 4 month admin. football ban will be scrapped by the CAS or at least severely reduced, mostly because it's a factual occupational ban and a severe constraint of the right of unrestricted free movement of workers (ECJ judicature is pretty clear here: every restriction is contrary to european law). Agree on the other part though, he needs to get his act together because the sanctions surely wouldn't become more lenient.
 
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Flavia

Guest
Those fans are angry at him for repeating the same offense and are fed up with his antics, which is an emotional reaction and a sign of his dwindling popularity among fans. That doesn't indicate that his overall output as a player was negative. Liverpool wouldn't have achieved what they did this season without him, he essentially carried the club. No matter how angry their fans are, I doubt they are stupid enough to underestimate the importance of Suarez's overall output for them. Hell they may want him gone now but if he ends up staying and goes on another scoring binge after his ban ends then I'm sure a majority will love him again. Some fans will be too disappointed by his actions to truly admire him again but that doesn't change the fact that he's immense for them on a sporting level.

If Suarez and Pepe (two players well known to be maniacs when they snap) aren't worth their baggage then how come they both played such important roles in helping their respective clubs achieve historic seasons? Hell even Maradona engaged in a lot of 'taboo' acts with the cocaine abuse, drug scandals, and violence yet he's one of the greatest footballers of all time.


With so many legendary players that were so controversial yet still accepted (Maradona, Cantona, Stoichkov, Zidane) are you really gonna brand Suarez as an 'untouchable' just for his biting? That kind of thinking is narrow minded in the face of so many other factors to think of which favor Suarez (how much he'd help our sporting ambitions, how he's the most elite player in the 'mobile 9' profile that Lucho wants for his system, how we need to get the best players in our squad to challenge a RM side that is much improved under Ancelotti and an Atletico side that's now confident after breaking the duopoly). He's a dirty player, a media nightmare, and a potential risk but given his sheer quality I'd be very open to bringing him here.

I know he is one of the best players around. Still, I can't see it as a good move. He bit someone during a wc game, and a very important one for his nt. Pepe and Ramos would be all over him on purpose during any clasico. Other cbs from other teams too. I really cannot see this working. And the next time he does something, the consequences will be even worse. And madrid media will be worse than the english. Signing him is a recipe for disaster.
 
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linetty

Guest
I know he is one of the best players around. Still, I can't see it as a good move. He bit someone during a wc game, and a very important one for his nt. Pepe and Ramos would be all over him on purpose during any clasico. Other cbs from other teams too. I really cannot see this working. And the next time he does something, the consequences will be even worse. And madrid media will be worse than the english. Signing him is a recipe for disaster.
He been biting before and it didn't turn out to be a disaster for Liverpool, exactly the opposite.

I wouldn't hesitate if we were to buy him before he bit Chiellini but I have my doubts now that he has done it.
 

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