Xavi Hernández

[Richard.H]

Mate fuck off. I made a more than reasonable post there, and you've just ignored it's entirety to call me a troll?



Yes he was. His form picked up from the moment that Real Madrid game kicked off, was absolutely sublime in that match and his last half a dozen assists came from thereon, otherwise he had a fairly inconsistent season, again, probably due to injuries/burn out/not being able to replicate his extraordinary standards set the previous year.

From your post it's quite clear that you haven't really watched Xavi play last season. No Cule can agree with your statement, it's just that ridiculous.

 

[10Rivaldo]

Admittedly he had a slow start last season but his season over-all was in no way "under-par". Inconsistent? I wouldn't agree. He was amazing all season bar perhaps the first couple months, and even then he was still decent.

And you seem to get frustrated pretty easily whenever people don't agree with you...relax, it's just the Internet. It's not good for your health, you know. If you can't keep a cool head then maybe Internet forums aren't for you?

 

[Jordzibob]

This is really really silly.

 

[Richard.H]

Wow... Like I said, his form from that Madrid game to the World Cup has papered over his inconsistent form from last season, and would you stop fucking saying 'You must never have watched said player/team play', when clearly I fucking did. Read my post. Ignorant as fuck. Wonder if the Real Madrid fans are as bad.

It's really too bad that I can't find any statistics right now to prove you wrong. He still had an above 90 % pass rate with over 150 passes per game. You must have really high standards to simply disregard this. Assuming you're a Chelsea fan, that's probably more than the amount of passes your whole team makes in a single game.

This video certainly showcases Xavi before that El Clasico:

 

[Carefree]

And you seem to get frustrated pretty easily whenever people don't agree with you...relax

Can you blame me when i'm consistently being called a 'WUM' or told 'You haven't seen so and so' when replying to anything I post. It's massively irritating.

Seems to be catching on here too, one too many hypocrites.

It's really too bad that I can't find any statistics right now to prove you wrong. He still had an above 90 % pass rate with over 150 passes per game. You must have really high standards to simply disregard this. Assuming you're a Chelsea fan, that's probably more than the amount of passes your whole team makes in a single game.

This video certainly showcases Xavi before that El Clasico:

That video highlights absolutely nothing, and you are correct, there are no statistics to back you up as he wasn't producing the goods as he did in 2008/09 until after the Real Madrid game.

Up until that point in the league, Marcelo, Messi and Dani Alves had more assists than him going into the final third of the season, however his form picked up again and he finished top of the assists chart.

You'd agree with me he was brilliant in 2008/09 correct? He wasn't anywhere near as good in 2009/10 - hence under-par. Iniesta was injured for large stretches but Messi mainted his superb form (ESPECIALLY after Christmas).

Anyway, this has been taken off topic - the original point was, Messi is more important then Xavi, and I made a perfectly good argument for it, nicely avoided by Jordzibob though.

 

[10Rivaldo]

I think you just picked the wrong vocabulary. If you said "under-par" to mean that he wasn't as good as 08/09 season, that's really misleading. If a player has to perform as well as Xavi did during 08/09 season, no one is going to be up to par, ever. Yes, he wasn't as good as 08/09 season, but he was still amazing. And I wouldn't say he was inconsistent either. As for Messi being more important than Xavi, I think that has been the case this season, but the last couple seasons, we relied so much on Xavi. I think we've adapted to play without him or not rely on him as much this season, but for the last few seasons, Xavi was more important than Messi, in my opinion.

 

[Metaphysical]

oh god.

Of course he's important, he pretty much dictates play for Barcelona, however Xavi is heavily reliant on someone like Lionel Messi to make the difference going forwards.

See Inter Milan last season. Xavi did absolutely nothing of note other than keep possession and over-pass in midfield (A massive critisism of Barcelona when teams pack the defence). Why? Nothing in front of him with what was a very highly organised and well planned Inter Milan team.

Xavi sliced Inter open with the pass that found Piqué for our only goal of the game.

Messi did make some great contributions that were unlucky to not result in anything (especially the Bojan chance) but Xavi actually created a goal.

so, um, no.

On the subject of Messi playing better with Xavi in the team, I'll just add this in, and I have said it before - last season Messi scored 47 goals with Xavi and Iniesta combined contributing to just 7 of them. Let's also not get this skewed, of those 7, Messi pretty much did all the work himself.

See Valencia. Xavi made the pass for the first goal, Messi took it past 2 or 3 defenders before slotting it in the net. This goal made the Puskas award shortlist.[/

How about Arsenal? Messi's 4th, Xavi made the pass, Messi took it past another 3 defenders before finally getting it through Almunia's legs.

Now i'm not saying Messi is better without Xavi, I actually agree with you, but Messi can perform with or without him in the team, and his goal scoring record last season supports that.

you can't measure Xavi's effectiveness in assists. everyone should know that by now.

Like last season you mean? Whether you like it or not, Xavi was miles under-par last season, and I imagine that was largely cause of injuries and not being able to live upto his incredible standards from the previous treble winning year.

When Xavi went missing, who stepped up? Lionel Messi. He pretty much carried the entire Barcelona side from February to April time. Single handedly destroyed Zaragoza, pulled the game back into Barcelona's favour away at Almeria and snatched a win for Barcelona home to Malaga. Iniesta was injured around this period and Xavi was suffering from what looked like burn out, though his from increased from the away trip to Real Madrid to the World Cup and that has somewhat papered over his fairly ordinary season.

[/QUOTE]

now you're just making stuff up.

Xavi was superb last season. he may have had a few off games, but by and large he was always awesome. let's not forget he orchestrated the finest 45 minutes of football around in the first half at the Emirates, and completely euthanised Reial Madrid, then obliterated Sevilla and Villarreal away from home in the final few matches of the league season.

As I said though, Xavi is a magnificent player who can work an entire midfield, but his defense splitting pass is only as good as a run from a Messi/Villa/Pedro. If he's not on song, Messi is more than capable of doing a duel job by playmaking in midfield and carrying that into the final third of play.

Lose Xavi, Barcelona can function, lose Messi, and their attack falls flat on its face.

see, this is just incorrect.

Messi is the finest player in the World, and we'd be foolish not to play through him, but he's not central to our style of football.

our style of football always revolves around Xavi. he sets the tone in both the pressing and the passing game. nearly all our play flows through him. the mainline statistics can't show his effectiveness, you have to go into distance covered, passes made, passes completed, etc.

if you remove Messi, yeah, we will lose that obvious burst of awesome, but we will still play like Barca. we can even wrack up the awesome; see Inter at home in the group stages where we destroyed them sans Messi, with Xavi running the show yet again.

if you remove Xavi, we will still play well for sure, but we won't really play like Barca. you just have to witness the games last season when Messi had to take over, we weren't really like Barca.

Xavi is CRUCIAL to our identity, way moreso than Messi.

 

[Jordzibob]

Owned.

 

[jamrock]

Why is this Carefree Guy so ignorant, does he have to reduce every debate to a fuck contest, Jesus.

Its pretty evident that you have a limited amount of football intelligence, perhaps intelligence in general,PERHAPS, and as such you need to be reeducated about this our beautiful game.

I'm sure many of us on here, would be more than happy to do so, but if you continue with your ignorant behaviour, it will be very difficult.

Xavi ended the 09/10 fucking season with 6 fucking goals and 20-22 fucking assist, that compared to his 08/09 tally of 4 goals and 17 assist.

Miles below par in fucking deed.

I don't generally use stats to have debates about xavi, has he does so much more. but that is what you seem to understand best.

Ps Fuck, just to ensure you understand

 

[Flavia]

oh god.



Xavi sliced Inter open with the pass that found Piqué for our only goal of the game.

Messi did make some great contributions that were unlucky to not result in anything (especially the Bojan chance) but Xavi actually created a goal.

so, um, no.



you can't measure Xavi's effectiveness in assists. everyone should know that by now.



now you're just making stuff up.

Xavi was superb last season. he may have had a few off games, but by and large he was always awesome. let's not forget he orchestrated the finest 45 minutes of football around in the first half at the Emirates, and completely euthanised Reial Madrid, then obliterated Sevilla and Villarreal away from home in the final few matches of the league season.



see, this is just incorrect.

Messi is the finest player in the World, and we'd be foolish not to play through him, but he's not central to our style of football.

our style of football always revolves around Xavi. he sets the tone in both the pressing and the passing game. nearly all our play flows through him. the mainline statistics can't show his effectiveness, you have to go into distance covered, passes made, passes completed, etc.

if you remove Messi, yeah, we will lose that obvious burst of awesome, but we will still play like Barca. we can even wrack up the awesome; see Inter at home in the group stages where we destroyed them sans Messi, with Xavi running the show yet again.

if you remove Xavi, we will still play well for sure, but we won't really play like Barca. you just have to witness the games last season when Messi had to take over, we weren't really like Barca.

Xavi is CRUCIAL to our identity, way moreso than Messi.

/close discussion

 

[gingerless]

Why is this Carefree Guy so ignorant, does he have to reduce every debate to a fuck contest, Jesus.

Its pretty evident that you have a limited amount of football intelligence, perhaps intelligence in general,PERHAPS, and as such you need to be reeducated about this our beautiful game.

I'm sure many of us on here, would be more than happy to do so, but if you continue with your ignorant behaviour, it will be very difficult.

Xavi ended the 09/10 fucking season with 6 fucking goals and 20-22 fucking assist, that compared to his 08/09 tally of 4 goals and 17 assist.

Miles below par in fucking deed.

I don't generally use stats to have debates about xavi, has he does so much more. but that is what you seem to understand best.

Ps Fuck, just to ensure you understand

well, fuck!

 

[Jordzibob]

well, fuck!

 

[gingerless]

what the fuck

 

[XaviMessiGirl]

Tone down the language guys, we allow it to an extent but when every other word is a swear it gets a little ridiculous.

 

[Daemul]

Carefree is here causing trouble aswell? Dude, wtf?