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Xavi sliced Inter open with the pass that found Piqué for our only goal of the game.

Messi did make some great contributions that were unlucky to not result in anything (especially the Bojan chance) but Xavi actually created a goal.

so, um, no.

Pique deserves all the credit for that goal, and Messi was the one who was probing that defence before finding Xavi in space. Other than the pass to Pique, Xavi did absolutely nothing of note. Over passed it in midfield, particularly in the first leg.

you can't measure Xavi's effectiveness in assists. everyone should know that by now.

Like you can't measure Iniesta's effectiveness aswell? Seriously. Do me a favour. Creative players like those two are judged on how creative they are and their end product - something Xavi normally has, which puts him a class above Iniesta.

now you're just making stuff up.

Xavi was superb last season. he may have had a few off games, but by and large he was always awesome. let's not forget he orchestrated the finest 45 minutes of football around in the first half at the Emirates, and completely euthanised Reial Madrid, then obliterated Sevilla and Villarreal away from home in the final few matches of the league season.

No, YOU'RE making stuff up. I acknowledged he got better after the Real Madrid game, which means you're last paragraph is irrelevant. Sure he had some 'great' games throughout the season, Arsenal a prime example, but he never maintained that fully throughout the entire season.

see, this is just incorrect.

Messi is the finest player in the World, and we'd be foolish not to play through him, but he's not central to our style of football.

our style of football always revolves around Xavi. he sets the tone in both the pressing and the passing game. nearly all our play flows through him. the mainline statistics can't show his effectiveness, you have to go into distance covered, passes made, passes completed, etc.

if you remove Messi, yeah, we will lose that obvious burst of awesome, but we will still play like Barca. we can even wrack up the awesome; see Inter at home in the group stages where we destroyed them sans Messi, with Xavi running the show yet again.

if you remove Xavi, we will still play well for sure, but we won't really play like Barca. you just have to witness the games last season when Messi had to take over, we weren't really like Barca.

Xavi is CRUCIAL to our identity, way moreso than Messi.

You've skewed my posts completely now haven't you?

I agree with (almost) everything you've just said here, but you pretty much agreed with me without the need to state the obvious in that post:

"if you remove Xavi, we will still play well for sure, but we won't really play like Barca. you just have to witness the games last season when Messi had to take over, we weren't really like Barca."

Which in a nut shell is exactly what I said. Lose Xavi, Barcelona can function - Messi will win games on his own and he can do that playmaking job brilliantly, just it's unfortunate we don't get to see more of it whilst he's stuck up front. Lose Messi, and the Barcelona attack loses half it's threat. Xavi can pass the ball around as much as he likes, but the main difference up front if Messi, and I find it bizarre anyone can disagree with that, as you say, he's the best player in the world.

:lol: :lol: He'd get a smack.

Cut the keyboard warrior act will you, it's beginning to get a bit tedious.
 

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See Inter Milan last season. Xavi did absolutely nothing of note other than keep possession and over-pass in midfield (A massive critisism of Barcelona when teams pack the defence). Why? Nothing in front of him with what was a very highly organised and well planned Inter Milan team.

Lionel Messi on the other hand made a couple of contributions in what should have been very decisive in that game. The first by dancing his way past the Inter Milan wall and only being stopped by a wonder Julio Cesar save, and the second by unlocking the defence with a magical defence splitting pass but for an (outrageous) miss by Bojan, Barcelona should have reached their second consecutive final.
Pique deserves all the credit for that goal, and Messi was the one who was probing that defence before finding Xavi in space. Other than the pass to Pique, Xavi did absolutely nothing of note. Over passed it in midfield, particularly in the first leg.
While the majority of the credit goes to Pique for the goal, Xavi's pass was excellent. Also, I thought he played fairly well in the first leg (see a video of his touches at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S2eTiUpKVQ); his sideline pass to Maxwell led to the first goal. My big problem with your posts, however, is with your claims about how Messi played. You state that Xavi didn't play well in the first leg, while ignoring that Messi was absolutely, undeniably horrible in that game, to the point where if Barcelona had kept him out and used another midfielder (or heck, a backup from the B team), it wouldn't have made any difference. Messi's biggest impact in the first leg was losing the ball to start Inter's second goal, and standing around complaining to the referee while Inter launched the counter. As for the second leg, while the pass to Bojan was indeed great, and the shot was good, the fact is that these are the only good things he did in 180 minutes against Inter (60 minutes of it against 10 men at home). If someone pointed to a good pass by Xavi that didn't lead to a goal, you probably wouldn't consider that a huge contribution, so why does Messi get so much credit for a shot that got saved?
 
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First half: dedicated to Carefree.

Sublime performance from everyone on the pitch.... but we've not been debating his form this season have we... in fact, according to some in this thread, Xavi's been sub-standard this season ;)
 

Gnegneri

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Sublime performance from everyone on the pitch.... but we've not been debating his form this season have we... in fact, according to some in this thread, Xavi's been sub-standard this season ;)
I know man, just seemed like a righteously diss. :D
 
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