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BBZ8800

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Madrid not prioritizing la Liga is an excuse for their shambolic record in recent years during Ronaldo penzema era

Or just coping of our fans.

That's like saying Messi/CR7 are not prioritizing WC title.
Because a title with Psg/Al Nassr are bread and butter of any footballer.

For the last 10 years, everyone knows that CDR is shit and nobody pays attention to it except bottom table teams and BARCA.
About La Liga, ok, it is important.
But still, if for some reason you had to choose between league and CL, everyone would pick CL.

Also, the more time goes by, I have a feeling that:
1. RM is built to be the best club in Europe/World. So, their ultimate goal is to win CLs and to build teams who can play and cope with European opponents
2. on the other hand, Barca is driven by hate towards RM coming from politics (Catalonia is not Spain), and you often get an impression that Barca values more win in a CDR and possibly losing players due to fatigue and injuries over CL quarters against Bayern or Liverpool.

I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of older socios really only value La Liga and CDR = aka being better than RM at home.

Let's say that a modern Barca's history starts in 1990/91 season with the first Cruijff's Dream team league title.
Stats since then are quite interesting in terms of league titles, CDR titles and CL titles:

1991-2022:
La Liga titles:
16 Barcelona
10 Real Madrid

Copa Del Rey titles:
8 Barcelona
3 Real Madrid

Champions league:
8 Real Madrid
5 Barcelona

So, for the last 30 years we are watching the same story over and over again:
1. Barca usually dominating domestic competition
2. Real Madrid being more successful in a CL
3. Barca investing way too much in a meaningless CDR
4. Barca being unable to win unless it is 150% better than European opponents. On the other hand, Real Madrid being able to win in tons of different tricky situations in Europe
5. Barca usually being dead in Europe once it goes 0:1 down in KO matches, while RM is known for 10s of goals in the 90th minute or coming back from 0:2

Also, another interesting stat for the end: imo, around 10 years ago RM figured out that CDR is a waste of time and they started to lose intentionally to keep stamina for La liga and CL matches in final months of a season (as someone mentioned: for RM the season starts in February).
So, this is a number of CDR wins and titles since 2013/14 (when RM started their era of 5 CLs in 9 years):
2014-2022, number of CDR titles:
5 Barca
1 Real Madrid

Number of finals 2014-2022:
7 Barcelona
1 Real Madrid

Number of CLs 2014-2022:
5 Real
1 Barca

Year after year, some fans celebrate when RM goes out early in CDR.
Yet, what happens in the end => they'll just win a CL in June with 3:0 and be totally fresh and motivated.
While we will watch a CL from home and celebrate our CDR title and a win vs Betis/Bilbao.
While we were KOd in a CL group stage or with some random 1:5 or 0:4 defeat in the round of 16.

Regarding league, I am not saying that RM is losing on purpose. They aren't.
But, deep down there are traits of an idea that:
1. RM will try to win La liga if possible. If not, they'll try to win a CL
2. on the other hand, it seems that our main goal every season is to be better than the evil RM on the domestic stage.
We play La Liga and CDR matches with 120%. And then, since our players were never known to be too physical, we are usually dead tired in March and April in key CL matches (like in 2014 and 2016 vs Atletico, for example).

Also, on top of that idea: it seems that RM is building teams for KO matches of a CL, who knows how to play vs European teams and who knows how to come back from 0:1 or 0:2.
Yet, it seems that our teams are mostly build to TikiTaka/technically dominate already very technical and physically weak La Liga and CDR.
And then we come TIRED to key CL KO matches and on top of everything, we don't know how to cope with running, pressure, crosses from European teams who use totally different weapons than La Liga teams who mostly attack us in the same fashion: with some Wallmart version of technical shortpassing football with Wallmart 168 cm attackers from Brazil, Colombia and Spain who need 10 chances to score one goal.
And then our team is used to a slow tempo of La Liga and to bad attackers.
Then we come to Europe and have like 2 wins in 15 matches with a goal ratio 25:50 and then we wonder what happened, and we scapegoat a random player like Raki, Vidal, Kessie and think that the solution is easy: we'll just change that one guy and we'll fly in Europe, just like in 2009 or 2011.

Also, we come back to matches vs Girona and Getafe and hail our midfielders and defenders for 1:0 wins.
Against teams who have 50% of intensity and skills of EPL and who always attack in the same way.

Regarding Classicos, some people reply: well, if RM is that good, HOW COME that we usually beat them in El Classicos?
Well, again, our ONLY motivation in football is = to win against RM and to be better than them in Spain.
We play with passion, motivation and anger against them. And the results are good.
Also, we know them too well and we know how to attack and defend against them.
On the other hand, when we meet any random European team like Bayern, Inter, Man Utd, Eintracht = we don't have a clue what is happening, how to cope with pressure and running, how to defend crosses, how to break their defense (who is different than La Liga defenses).

Remember the words of Carles Puyol:
Former Barcelona captain Carles Puyol has claimed that his old team need to change their priorities drastically in order to compete with Real Madrid.
Puyol captained arguably the greatest club side when he was at centre back for the Catalan giants and says he is 'furious as a Barca fan' on the back of Real's 13th Champions League triumph.

A league and cup double by Valverde's side was put in the shade by Ronaldo and co as they made it three European cups on the spin, something that had never been done before.
And Puyol's solution is to treat the Kings Cup, a competition they have won four times in a row, in a similar fashion to how the bigger clubs treat the league cup in England.
Speaking to La Vangauardia newspaper, Puyol said, 'I am convinced that we have a better team than Madrid, but they have won four of the last five Champions Leagues.

Puyol captained arguably the greatest club side when he was at centre back for the Catalan giants and says he is 'furious as a Barca fan' on the back of Real's 13th Champions League triumph.

'I think the solution comes from getting our priorities straight. We're losing an opportunity and I'm furious about that as a Barca fan.
'Winning the treble is extremely hard as statistics show, so I think the most sensible thing would be to relegate the King's Cup.
'Don't get me wrong, I loved playing in the final, but the path there should be for the reserves and the young players to show if they are good enough or not.'
 
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BBZ8800

Senior Member
Nobody cares and no one respects them

Very objective opinion, lol

This is where Barca's mentality comes from, as explained above = from hate towards RM.

And this is where our shortcoming in Europe are coming from.
We build a team to hurt RM, not to hurt CL teams.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
Or just coping of our fans.

That's like saying Messi/CR7 are not prioritizing WC title.
Because a title with Psg/Al Nassr are bread and butter of any footballer.

For the last 10 years, everyone knows that CDR is shit and nobody pays attention to it except bottom table teams and BARCA.
About La Liga, ok, it is important.
But still, if for some reason you had to choose between league and CL, everyone would pick CL.

Also, the more time goes by, I have a feeling that:
1. RM is built to be the best club in Europe/World. So, their ultimate goal is to win CLs and to build teams who can play and cope with European opponents
2. on the other hand, Barca is driven by hate towards RM coming from politics (Catalonia is not Spain), and you often get an impression that Barca values more win in a CDR and possibly losing players due to fatigue and injuries over CL quarters against Bayern or Liverpool.

I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of older socios really only value La Liga and CDR = aka being better than RM at home.

Let's say that a modern Barca's history starts in 1990/91 season with the first Cruijff's Dream team league title.
Stats since then are quite interesting in terms of league titles, CDR titles and CL titles:

1991-2022:
La Liga titles:
16 Barcelona
10 Real Madrid

Copa Del Rey titles:
8 Barcelona
3 Real Madrid

Champions league:
8 Real Madrid
5 Barcelona

So, for the last 30 years we are watching the same story over and over again:
1. Barca usually dominating domestic competition
2. Real Madrid being more successful in a CL
3. Barca investing way too much in a meaningless CDR
4. Barca being unable to win unless it is 150% better than European opponents. On the other hand, Real Madrid being able to win in tons of different tricky situations in Europe
5. Barca usually being dead in Europe once it goes 0:1 down in KO matches, while RM is known for 10s of goals in the 90th minute or coming back from 0:2

Also, another interesting stat for the end: imo, around 10 years ago RM figured out that CDR is a waste of time and they started to lose intentionally to keep stamina for La liga and CL matches in final months of a season (as someone mentioned: for RM the season starts in February).
So, this is a number of CDR wins and titles since 2013/14 (when RM started their era of 5 CLs in 9 years):
2014-2022, number of CDR titles:
5 Barca
1 Real Madrid

Number of finals 2014-2022:
7 Barcelona
1 Real Madrid

Number of CLs 2014-2022:
5 Real
1 Barca

Year after year, some fans celebrate when RM goes out early in CDR.
Yet, what happens in the end => they'll just win a CL in June with 3:0 and be totally fresh and motivated.
While we will watch a CL from home and celebrate our CDR title and a win vs Betis/Bilbao.
While we were KOd in a CL group stage or with some random 1:5 or 0:4 defeat in the round of 16.

Regarding league, I am not saying that RM is losing on purpose. They aren't.
But, deep down there are traits of an idea that:
1. RM will try to win La liga if possible. If not, they'll try to win a CL
2. on the other hand, it seems that our main goal every season is to be better than the evil RM on the domestic stage.
We play La Liga and CDR matches with 120%. And then, since our players were never known to be too physical, we are usually dead tired in March and April in key CL matches (like in 2014 and 2016 vs Atletico, for example).

Also, on top of that idea: it seems that RM is building teams for KO matches of a CL, who knows how to play vs European teams and who knows how to come back from 0:1 or 0:2.
Yet, it seems that our teams are mostly build to TikiTaka/technically dominate already very technical and physically weak La Liga and CDR.
And then we come TIRED to key CL KO matches and on top of everything, we don't know how to cope with running, pressure, crosses from European teams who use totally different weapons than La Liga teams who mostly attack us in the same fashion: with some Wallmart version of technical shortpassing football with Wallmart 168 cm attackers from Brazil, Colombia and Spain who need 10 chances to score one goal.
And then our team is used to a slow tempo of La Liga and to bad attackers.
Then we come to Europe and have like 2 wins in 15 matches with a goal ratio 25:50 and then we wonder what happened, and we scapegoat a random player like Raki, Vidal, Kessie and think that the solution is easy: we'll just change that one guy and we'll fly in Europe, just like in 2009 or 2011.

Also, we come back to matches vs Girona and Getafe and hail our midfielders and defenders for 1:0 wins.
Against teams who have 50% of intensity and skills of EPL and who always attack in the same way.

Regarding Classicos, some people reply: well, if RM is that good, HOW COME that we usually beat them in El Classicos?
Well, again, our ONLY motivation in football is = to win against RM and to be better than them in Spain.
We play with passion, motivation and anger against them. And the results are good.
Also, we know them too well and we know how to attack and defend against them.
On the other hand, when we meet any random European team like Bayern, Inter, Man Utd, Eintracht = we don't have a clue what is happening, how to cope with pressure and running, how to defend crosses, how to break their defense (who is different than La Liga defenses).

Remember the words of Carles Puyol:

Excellent post.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
It's true. Puyol is right. We wasted a golden opportunity with the golden generation. We had this stupid attitude. " We are Barca, we must win everything. Result was opportunities lost to win more CL. Madrid 9n the other hand understanding CL is the most prestigious title and prioritising it.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
Hahaha on point? Barca does bad in Europe but good in Spain cause barca hates RM?

GET A GRIP

Pathetic, you need to accept it. You are a undercover Madrid fan.

This is the irrational, bitchy attitude of alot of Catalan fans sadly. Just blind hate of Real Madrid and an unwillingness to see the facts and accept a pragmatic mindset. Still in love with midgets playing endless passes and getting endlessly hammered in Europe. Yeah, with fans like this the future is bright for this club.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
This forum... I swear... :lol:

When all is said and done, the reality is we are not even a full season since we got on board with the rebuild project, and got rid of overpaid oldies like Messi, Suarez, Pique, now pushing Alba to a rotation role, and sold the deadwood like Coutinho, Griezmann etc.

And in barely one full season, with Xavi as manager and this medium-long term plan focused on free transfers, some signings and mostly youngsters like Gavi, Pedri, Balde, we are close to win all domestic titles in play.

But all of this doesn't count because bla, bla, La Liga is shit and whatnot.

And despite all this people want to sack the manager because they have discovered the earth shattering reality that in you can't really compete in CL against wealthier clubs with bigger squads so early in your project, while we are yet to play our best 11 in any of these matches almost.

All I can say is I am glad we have Laporta in charge. He seems smart enough to stick with Xavi and recognize the big progress done this season, on this very good path we are on, with so many roadblocks against us set by La Liga and previous disastrous board.

This club has 2 things to correct to get back on top in Europe as well. a) Find ways to spend money like the competitors do every summer to build a bigger quality squad and deal with injuries better, and b) Sign better players with those money.

The manager, the youngsters, tactical elements in the team (pressing, positioning, physicality, defensive setup), are developing at an incredibly fast rate. Fixing a) and b) are hard to do because we don't have the luxury of forking 200m in the summer.

The doom and gloom brigade around here are so delusional, they can't even appreciate how hard earned this title will be if we get it done. How much will it actually take in terms of focus and commitment from Xavi and the youngsters, work put in each week, to win a title so early in our rebuild. Even if it's against such trash teams such as Real Madrid in this terrible league.

Well said but don't expect logic from people here too any agendas for people to use common sense,Like you said & I've said multiple times, it's our first full season under new leadership after taking over the club from the lowest point possible & having to go to extreme measures to save the club & put a good product on the field, and for all that we are about to win our first league title in 3 years but no that's not good enough.

We should do that as well as make the CL, last 16/QF, so basically fans are getting all hype because we fell 2-4 games short, completely none sensical.

If this was our 2/3 season under Laporta/Xavi and this was happening I could understand, but they came in with promises to win & as of now that's exactly what they are about to do.

We lost the league title with the goat & Suarez scoring something like 60 goals combined in the league, while still getting our asses handed to us one Europe for fucks fake lol.


It's especially funny because a lot of the same people praise man UTD & ETH(great coach) who has spend 2x what we've spent, while starting from a much more stable Platform & at the end of the season they may win the EL if that.

But man utd Fans understand that's PROGRESS, Barcelona fans on the other hand? 😂, Fuck you xavi & Laporta for winning the league, we should have made the CL round of 16 lol, I don't know how people say that with a straight face.

First full season, 1 league title, I'll take that all day long, as would anyone else who doesn't have done form of agenda.
 
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iniestaGOAT

Senior Member
This is the irrational, bitchy attitude of alot of Catalan fans sadly. Just blind hate of Real Madrid and an unwillingness to see the facts and accept a pragmatic mindset. Still in love with midgets playing endless passes and getting endlessly hammered in Europe. Yeah, with fans like this the future is bright for this club.

You should go to Real Madrid REDDIT and write a 'love letter to REAL MADRID, from an undercover Barca fan'

what are you doing here?
 

jamrock

Senior Member
We wasted the golden generation who brought us 2 CL titles, the first sixtuplet in European football history, could call it 3 CL really If we include lucho, and could have won 2 more if not for the fine margins that exist in KO football, for every club on the planted not named real Madrid & their champions league voodoo? Yea okay.

Keep saying it, Madrid's insane run in the CL have a few people on here thinking of if they can do it why can't we a bit too much.
 

JohnN

Senior Member
About Ferran and raphinia. Bot are starters in two of the best national teams. It wasn't so illogical to believe they are good. But the top talent these days just isn't so easy to access like it used to be. Prices have skyrocketed. 60m buys you an ok attacker. Both are ok, but we are used to expect much more.
 

mc_lovin

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I understand being pissed about the club in the last few years (2017-2022?), but not now. We did a shit ton right with very bad cards dealt to us by Barto.

The usual suspects need to piss off when we play a big part in Europe again with Pedri, Gavi and Balde hitting their early 20's (!).
 
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