Xavi Hernández

[JamDav1982]

Same core he built in 2009-11. Messi, Alves, Iniesta, Busi, Mascherano. Around half the team was the same as under Pep.

No not in 2015 and that teams biggest strength by far was MSN... then add MATS, Alba, Masch, Rakitic etc.

If the argument is players he had winning in 2015 then apply that to Valdes, Puyol, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi etc..none of who he signed and were core of teams that won those CLs.

 

[serghei]

No not in 2015 and that teams biggest strength by far was MSN... then add MATS, Alba, Masch, Rakitic etc.

If the argument is players he had winning in 2015 then apply that to Valdes, Puyol, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi etc..none of who he signed and were core of teams that won those CLs.

Still, influence from Pep days was consistent. Took some time for Rosell and Bartomeu to ruin such an elite side as the one inherited during Pep days, but they did that.

True, they got some quality galacticos, and they did bring about 10 months of elite football. In about 8 years of being in charge.

The team had ability with proper leadership to dominate the 2010s decade in world football. And won 1 CL in 9 years. Abysmal. Florentino made a mockery out of those clowns. Exploited the loss of Laporta and Guardiola duo like a master. Madrid had their best decade since the 50s in Europe under Rosell and Barto.

 

[JamDav1982]

Still, influence from Pep days was consistent. Took some time for Rosell and Bartomeu to ruin such an elite side as the one inherited during Pep days, but they did that.

True, they got some quality galacticos, and they did bring about 10 months of elite football. In about 8 years.

Contradicting yourself there... if Peps influence is the reason why would it then be 'eight months' of elite football.

So your rules are Peps influence left and the team played football that was not elite.. then mysteriously appeared again for 'eight months'.

Makes no sense.

When win its 'Peps influence and former board' when lose it is their fault as not 'elite'.

No one was 'working against Pep' either.

Real got their act together in way never had previously. They reacted big time to Peps team and got it right.

 

[serghei]

Contradicting yourself there... if Peps influence is the reason why would it then be 'eight months' of elite football.

So your rules are Peps influence left and the team played football that was not elite.. then mysteriously appeared again for 'eight months'.

Makes no sense.

When win its 'Peps influence and former board' when lose it is their fault as not 'elite'.

No one was 'working against Pep' either.

Because without Pep you couldn't tackle the team-issues that were starting to get bigger and bigger, especially since 2015 triumph. Turned into something like Qataris PSG, with players dictating shit at the club.

It's no coincidence the Madrid 3peat hapened right at that point. Barca were the only team good enough to beat them but they were in shambles due to being run by idiots.

 

[JamDav1982]

Because without Pep you couldn't tackle the team-issues that were starting to get bigger and bigger. Turned into something like Qataris PSG, with players dictating shit at the club.

What are you even talking about?

You cant claim Barca won in 2015 due to Pep. Utter nonsense.

If Peps legacy is reason cant pick and choose when to apply it.

Makes no sense.

Pep also has won one CL since 2011...

 

[serghei]

What are you even talking about?

You cant claim Barca won in 2015 due to Pep. Utter nonsense.

If Peps legacy is reason cant pick and choose when to apply it.

Makes no sense.

Pep also has won one CL since 2011...

Not due to Pep. Not directly. But his influence from the 2009-11 days was still felt in the 2015 team, without doubt for me. As soon as the core from Pep days, players like Iniesta, Messi, Busi, Pique, these started to get washed up, Bartomeu had no fucking clue how to replace them.

 

[JamDav1982]

Not due to Pep. Not directly. But his influence was still felt. As soon as the core from Pep days, players like Iniesta, Messi, Busi, Pique, these started to get washed up, Bartomeu had no fucking clue.

Just as the influence of Van Gaal and Rijkaard was felt on Peps teams and previous boards influence also.

Of course but can pick and choose when that influence hits.

Barca in 2015 did not play Pep football and MSN was the main strength.. Messi playing a different role.. not a player Pep signed and Ney and Suarez being other top two.

 

[serghei]

Iniesta was man of the match in CL final. Alves had an amazing 2nd part of the season. There was more to 2015 team than just MSN. Pique and Mascherano were solid, Busi still near his prime.

Still, Bartomeu/Rosell get credit for 1 out of 8 seasons of being in charge fully. Measly return considering the riches they inherited. They basically inherited the equivalent of Chicago Bulls under Jordan and produced 1 CL in 8 years.

Don't tell me 2011 CL is not down to Laporta and Pep.

 

[JamDav1982]

MSN was the biggest reason for the CL win.

Pep didnt sign Iniesta anyway.

Masch was signed by that board also.

MATS, Alba, Masch, Rakitic, Suarez and Ney all huge parts of that CL win.. as was Lucho.

Pep and Laporta board won with Valdes, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi...none of which they signed and all won CL before Pep also.

That argument applies both ways.

Who was 'working against Pep'? as claimed?

 

[serghei]

I'm not talking about players signed here. I'm talking about how Laporta and Pep set up a dynasty in late 00s early 10s that should have lasted a decade and dominated the 2010s, and that dynasty was ruined and handed over to Madrid by an incompetent Barca board.

 

[Messigician]

MSN was the biggest reason for the CL win.

Pep didnt sign Iniesta anyway.

Masch was signed by that board also.

MATS, Alba, Masch, Rakitic, Suarez and Ney all huge parts of that CL win.. as was Lucho.

Pep and Laporta board won with Valdes, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi...none of which they signed and all won CL before Pep also.

That argument applies both ways.

Who was 'working against Pep'? as claimed?

W

 

[JamDav1982]

I'm not talking about players signed here. I'm talking about how Laporta and Pep set up a dynasty that should have lasted a decade, and that dynasty was ruined and handed over to Madrid by an incompetent Barca board.

Not as easy as that.

Real went and put together their best team ever and Valdes, Puyol, Xavi etc aged out.

Pep himself should have won more than 2 CLs really and Barca after that could have won more and had team good enough to do it. If anything the players levels dropped too often. Messi included.

Could argue Barca should have won more than one CL with Ronaldinho, Messi, Etoo but that team broke up under Laporta... its not as easy as think to dominate for long spells.

Laporta and Pep were left the players to put that team together in large parts also.

Who was working against Pep?

 

[serghei]

The post-Laporta board that wanted to make their own name and ditch Pep, who was seen as Laporta's guy obviously. They obviously were in favor of a galactico project where stars are the face of the team, not the manager.

Everything that followed post-Pep verifies it. It is also verified that under a trusting board Pep has no problems staying for 7 years and counting at the same club. He wanted more power over the stars of the team than Rosell was willing to give him. Clear as day for anyone that can see beneath the surface really.

 

[JamDav1982]

The post-Laporta board that wanted to make their own name and ditch Pep, who was seen as Laporta's guy obviously. They obviously were in favor of a galactico project were stars are the face of the team, not the manager.

Absolute nonsense they did not want to 'ditch Pep'.

You dont have a clue what talking about.

 

[serghei]

OK, let's put this one over the pile of others where we simply disagree on. No issues for me.