Xavi Hernández

[Porque]

Meanwhile, Xabi Alonso just promoted Real Sociedad B to the Second Division of Spain. He took over last season and finished 5th. This season he finished 1st and won the promotion playoff yesterday 2-1.

Amazing. If he stays next season at Sociedad B he will have a great learning curve in the Second division with a young team.

Imagine if Xavi had decided to spend a season or two at Barcelona B and managed to do the same.

Today Joseba Etxeberria with his Athletic Bilbao B plays another playoff final to promote versus Burgos CF.

Yesterday SD Amorebeita also promoted with 39 year old I?igo V?lez as manager (you may recall he is that Bilbao player who was always on the bench but never played).

So you can see where the upcoming Spanish managers are proving themselves. On a side point Basque football is strong at the lower levels.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Meanwhile, Xabi Alonso just promoted Real Sociedad B to the Second Division of Spain. He took over last season and finished 5th. This season he finished 1st and won the promotion playoff yesterday 2-1.

Amazing. If he stays next season at Sociedad B he will have a great learning curve in the Second division with a young team.

Imagine if Xavi had decided to spend a season or two at Barcelona B and managed to do the same.

Today Joseba Etxeberria with his Athletic Bilbao B plays another playoff final to promote versus Burgos CF.

Yesterday SD Amorebeita also promoted with 39 year old I?igo V?lez as manager (you may recall he is that Bilbao player who was always on the bench but never played).

So you can see where the upcoming Spanish managers are proving themselves. On a side point Basque football is strong at the lower levels.

Xavi is having a better job at Qatar.
People keep calling it mickey mouse, camels etc, but there is no way that coaching 3rd or even 2nd division team in Spain is a bigger coaching job than a top team in Qatar like AlSadd.
For that, it will be always difficult for Xavi to see a convincing path to Barca tbh.
He is 41, not that young for a coach anyway to start from 3rd division team

I think the BVB offer if true (I think it is a bs rumor btw) would have been perfect for him

 

[Laplacian]

Xavi is having a better job at Qatar.
People keep calling it mickey mouse, camels etc, but there is no way that coaching 3rd or even 2nd division team in Spain is a bigger coaching job than a top team in Qatar like AlSadd.
For that, it will be always difficult for Xavi to see a convincing path to Barca tbh.
He is 41, not that young for a coach anyway to start from 3rd division team

I think the BVB offer if true (I think it is a bs rumor btw) would have been perfect for him

Lol please, Belgium's 2nd division league is probably leagues better than Qatar's 1st division in terms of talent. You are honestly underestimating the gulf in talent and infrastructure between the top 10 nations in European football and the rest of the world. It's honestly not even a contest if you compare England's Championship, France's Ligue 2, and Spain's 2nd division to Qatar lmao.

 

[Rory]

Lol please, Belgium's 2nd division league is probably leagues better than Qatar's 1st division in terms of talent. You are honestly underestimating the gulf in talent and infrastructure between the top 10 nations in European football and the rest of the world. It's honestly not even a contest if you compare England's Championship, France's Ligue 2, and Spain's 2nd division to Qatar lmao.

Yup, on football transfermarkt Al-Sadd total market value ?24.82m, Barca B total market value ?32.13m.

Edit: Actually bad example from me. Rest of the league barca b are in have market value of around 4m. Still Qatar league clubs have similar values to french 2nd division. Seeing as though the french first division is half composed of terrible quality he's proving nothing in Qatar.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Lol please, Belgium's 2nd division league is probably leagues better than Qatar's 1st division in terms of talent.

It isn't, at all.
And gulf in infrastructure? Are you kidding yourself?

Qatar won Asian cup dominantly with a team from local players, it is actually developing in very good rate

All while not being related to the fact that "bigger job" is actually different.
Hell, even coaching jobs in Tunisia or Egypt top clubs are bigger than lower teams in Spain for example. Setien was preferring to come to Cairo than lower clubs in Spain ffs

 

[mc_lovin]

I don't think the quality of the League is all that important. It would give a certain peace of mind if he won the CL in three different countries before coaching Barcelona, but after all it's more important to learn how to interact with a group of players and honing his coaching techniques, which should be pretty transferable across different teams.

If he communicates well with the Al Sadd players and has modern training techniques, he should be good to go. For us that's hard to assess, but I am sure our sporting department has deeper insight.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Yup, on football transfermarkt Al-Sadd total market value ?24.82m, Barca B total market value ?32.13m.

A-That is largely due to Illaix value being 10M, inflates the whole team value.
B-Transfermarket is horrible way of judging anything. terrible market value estimation, terrible assist calculation, other than contract length there is nothing to see there

 

[Laplacian]

It isn't, at all.
And gulf in infrastructure? Are you kidding yourself?

Qatar won Asian cup dominantly with a team from local players, it is actually developing in very good rate

All while not being related to the fact that "bigger job" is actually different.
Hell, even coaching jobs in Tunisia or Egypt top clubs are bigger than lower teams in Spain for example. Setien was preferring to come to Cairo than lower clubs in Spain ffs

https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/

 

[khaled_a_d]

https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/

So, citing a stupid ranking, that is cool. There are ton of those.

Even if true, it doesn't change the fact that:
A- A coaching job in top teams in Qatar is more appealing to any coach than Segunda division. Judging by tons of coaches who went there for over 2 decades. You are delusional and borderline ignorant if you think otherwise.

B- The country that is hosting the world cup next year doesn't have a "gulf in gap" of infrastructure between it and Belgium league 2, or even segunda division team un Spain.

 

[Laplacian]

I don't think the quality of the League is all that important. It would give a certain peace of mind if he won the CL in three different countries before coaching Barcelona, but after all it's more important to learn how to interact with a group of players and honing his coaching techniques, which should be pretty transferable across different teams.

If he communicates well with the Al Sadd players and has modern training techniques, he should be good to go. For us that's hard to assess, but I am sure our sporting department has deeper insight.

It certainly does matter. An inferior footballing country is lagging behind in tactics, coaching, and players' abilities. Why do you think NT coaches struggle to transition to club football again? Why do you think coaches struggling in club football head on to do better in NT football? It isn't magic. The level of play is the barrier to entry here.

If Xavi spends his time being good at doing intermediate algebra, he's going to fail if he immediately steps up to study topology or differential geometry.

 

[Laplacian]

So, citing a stupid ranking, that is cool. There are ton of those.

Even if true, it doesn't change the fact that:
A- A coaching job in top teams in Qatar is more appealing to any coach than Segunda division. Judging by tons of coaches who went there for over 2 decades. You are delusional and borderline ignorant if you think otherwise.

B- The country that is hosting the world cup next year doesn't have a "gulf in gap" of infrastructure between it and Belgium league 2, or even segunda division team un Spain.

Honestly I forgot that you're Egyptian. It makes sense you're sitting there thinking Morocco, Tunisia, and Qatar are at all comparable to top European football. Rankings, results in the international stage, the fact that players in Qatar are not at all desirable in the highest levels of footballs whatsoever, and all the evidence in the world won't convince you otherwise.

It's cute that you think that Qatar doing good in Asian competitions is somehow remarkable, when quite literally all of Asian football is probably decades behind European football Lmao

 

[khaled_a_d]

Honestly I forgot that you're Egyptian. It makes sense you're sitting there thinking Morocco, Tunisia, and Qatar are at all comparable to top European football. Rankings, results in the international stage, the fact that players in Qatar are not at all desirable in the highest levels of footballs whatsoever, and all the evidence in the world won't convince you otherwise.

Lmao

Oh, I noticed your reading comprehension is bad.
I didn't compare football to football, I compared coaching job between 2nd division football (with exception of championship) and 3rd division football and top coaching jobs in middle east, where coaches get paid double what they will get in Segunda in Spain. What is more appealing to a coach? what is bigger job for them?

It isn't even close. Even freakin Setien was coming to tier 2 club in Egypt after his Betis days, before Abidal comes calling.

You didn't present a single evidence, but can live in your bubble as much as you want

results in international stage? They are Asian cup winners over likes of Korea and Japan mate.

Heck, Xavi himself agrees with my point

 

[mc_lovin]

It certainly does matter. An inferior footballing country is lagging behind in tactics, coaching, and players' abilities. Why do you think NT coaches struggle to transition to club football again? Why do you think coaches struggling in club football head on to do better in NT football? It isn't magic. The level of play is the barrier to entry here.

If Xavi spends his time being good at doing intermediate algebra, he's going to fail if he immediately steps up to study topology or differential geometry.

I think the difference is that NT football is very superficial. Club football goes more into depth and coaches have more time to work on the details. You need meticulous, "genius" coaches for that. Instead of motivating a bunch of guys for a few weeks, which is much simpler. Xavi strikes me as someone, who would excel at that.

Don't think your math example is very fitting either.

 

[Porque]

Qatar has better money, better weather, better camels, hotter women (you just can't see them).

I'm not begrudging Xavi choice. But I do think it would be a more valuable experience to take a lower level Spanish team and test your ideas there than Qatar.

It worked well for Pep and LE.

 

[Laplacian]

Oh, I noticed your reading comprehension is bad.
I didn't compare football to football, I compared coaching job between 2nd division football (with exception of championship) and 3rd division football and top coaching jobs in middle east, where coaches get paid double what they will get in Segunda in Spain. What is more appealing to a coach? what is bigger job for them?

It isn't even close. Even freakin Setien was coming to tier 2 club in Egypt after his Betis days, before Abidal comes calling.

You didn't present a single evidence, but can live in your bubble as much as you want

results in international stage? They are Asian cup winners over likes of Korea and Japan mate.

Heck, Xavi himself agrees with my point

Lmao.

You honestly think the LEVEL OF FOOTBALL doesn't dictate the LEVEL OF COACHING IN SAID FOOTBALL MATCHES, and vice versa?


The fucking cope.
Sure buddy. Make all those personal attacks to make yourself better about the cope. I can name you 3 top managers who were developed in the lower leagues in Europe, and later went on to manage top clubs into UCL finals.

1. Pep

2. Klopp

3. Tuchel

How's Qatar doing? No, I'll do you even better. Any coaches developed in North African and Asian leagues gotten to the same level? Not even 3, just 1. They don't even have to be current managers, within the last 3 decades. If that's too hard, you can do 50 years. If that's too hard, how about at least 1 that happened to reach the level of coaching a top European club?