Xavi Hernández

[khaled_a_d]

Lmao.

You honestly think the LEVEL OF FOOTBALL doesn't dictate the LEVEL OF COACHING IN SAID FOOTBALL MATCHES, and vice versa?


The fucking cope.
Sure buddy. Make all those personal attacks to make yourself better about the cope. I can name you 3 top managers who were developed in the lower leagues in Europe, and later went on to manage top clubs into UCL finals.

1. Pep

2. Klopp

3. Tuchel

How's Qatar doing? No, I'll do you even better. Any coaches developed in North African and Asian leagues gotten to the same level? Not even 3, just 1. They don't even have to be current managers, within the last 3 decades. If that's too hard, you can do 50 years. If that's too hard, how about at least 1 that happened to reach the level of coaching a top European club?

You keep deferring from the argument, it is a simple question really.
Which 40 something coach will prefer taking a job in Segunda B or Segunda over a top coaching job in Gulf country with 3 times the salary.

And the world cup runner up hired a coach who worked for 5 years in the same region btw. So, you get your answer

 

[Rory]

A-That is largely due to Illaix value being 10M, inflates the whole team value.
B-Transfermarket is horrible way of judging anything. terrible market value estimation, terrible assist calculation, other than contract length there is nothing to see there

Yeah tbh they're generally bad at valuing players but I can't find any decent source that takes into account the value of a squad. I don't think there's anything bad about Xavi managing a team in Qatar for a year or two but I feel like he should move on now and test himself in europe.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Lmao.

You honestly think the LEVEL OF FOOTBALL doesn't dictate the LEVEL OF COACHING IN SAID FOOTBALL MATCHES, and vice versa?


The fucking cope.
Sure buddy. Make all those personal attacks to make yourself better about the cope. I can name you 3 top managers who were developed in the lower leagues in Europe, and later went on to manage top clubs into UCL finals.

1. Pep

2. Klopp

3. Tuchel

How's Qatar doing? No, I'll do you even better. Any coaches developed in North African and Asian leagues gotten to the same level? Not even 3, just 1. They don't even have to be current managers, within the last 3 decades. If that's too hard, you can do 50 years. If that's too hard, how about at least 1 that happened to reach the level of coaching a top European club?

I am going to make a 2nd quote for this as it is too much of an edit:

Regarding developing a coach:
I am not actually disagreeing btw. Gulf countries actually rarely hire a coach with no 1st division experience already. They prefer the Hector Cuper, Frank Rijkaard type of coaches. Xavi is an exception due to his big name as a player
Which is my main argument in the 1st post, Xavi took a middle of career/late career coaching job, with high salary. Rather than taking the developing coaching job like Alonso ( [MENTION=22241]Porque[/MENTION] example) so he is stuck in the middle of nowhere. Getting Barca B is a step back for him, taking Barca 1st team is huge step (because he is neither an insider like Barca B coach, or proven at better level)
He should test himself in 1st division in Europe, which by no means I never argued to be same or anywhere comparable to Qatar, before getting Barca job.
He won't come back to B team while in his 40's, be assured with that

 

[Laplacian]

You keep deferring from the argument, it is a simple question really.
Which 40 something coach will prefer taking a job in Segunda B or Segunda over a top coaching job in Gulf country with 3 times the salary.

Even your questions are self-defeating, you're basically admitting the preference of Qatar over 2nd division level football in Europe is due to salary, not you know, the quality of coaching and subsequently the football.

Good to know you couldn't answer the question.

1. I already shit talked international football, so it's kinda obvious when I'm talking about the "highest level of football" I'm specifically talking about club football.

2. I specifically said, "developed." Your named coach spent about a decade in Europe mate. Try harder.


I support the fight, you're really sticking to your guns and fully supporting North African/Near East Asian football here. Keep fighting the fight brother, but not to the point of delusion.

Remember. UCL final, coach developed in Qatar.

(I fully expect an argument of semantics in regards to 'developed in Qatar' lol).

 

[khaled_a_d]

Yeah tbh they're generally bad at valuing players but I can't find any decent source that takes into account the value of a squad. I don't think there's anything bad about Xavi managing a team in Qatar for a year or two but I feel like he should move on now and test himself in europe.

Which is my main argument, that the other poster never tried to comprehend.
Qatar attracts coaches who is 1st division coaches in Europe, but not attractive enough for any club aspiring something big. That is still more attractive job than going Pep or Alonso route coaching bunch of kids, he isn't going back to take over Piementa (that isn't going to happen this year, as the later is staying and Xavi just renewed) while he is in his 40's.
Xavi is putting himself and the club in a difficult job.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Even your questions are self-defeating, you're basically admitting the preference of Qatar over 2nd division level football in Europe is due to salary, not you know, the quality of coaching and subsequently the football.

That is true. They are spending big to make those jobs more attractive than second division football.
I didn't argue otherwise actually. They are spending big, have solid infrastructure and trying to attract best coaches and players they can get

Good to know you couldn't answer the question.

1. I already shit talked international football, so it's kinda obvious when I'm talking about the "highest level of football" I'm specifically talking about club football.

2. I specifically said, "developed." Your named coach spent about a decade in Europe mate. Try harder.

As I said in the other post, I am not disagreeing here.
Xavi took a job of middle career so/so coaches, or older coaches past their primes. Those who won't go to 2nd division in Spain/Italy etc but already had a career as 1st division football.
That is a job above B teams, but not a good development job either.
Look at this way, do you think player like Bojan prefer to play in MLS or Segunda or Segunda B ? I honestly highly doubt he won't take MLS.
Where do you prefer our own youngster to develop? B team or MLS? I highly doubt it is the MLS.

In this analogy, Xavi preferred to develop in MLS, better job if you are in middle/end of your career, but not good if you are trying to make it to Barca.
And he isn't taking that step to comeback as Barca B coach. If you think he would do it, you are in for a long wait

 

[Laplacian]

That is true. They are spending big to make those jobs more attractive than second division football.
I didn't argue otherwise actually. They are spending big, have solid infrastructure and trying to attract best coaches and players they can get



As I said in the other post, I am not disagreeing here.
Xavi took a job of middle career so/so coaches, or older coaches past their primes. Those who won't go to 2nd division in Spain/Italy etc but already had a career as 1st division football.
That is a job above B teams, but not a good development job either.
Look at this way, do you think player like Bojan prefer to play in MLS or Segunda or Segunda B ? I honestly highly doubt he won't take MLS.
Where do you prefer our own youngster to develop? B team or MLS? I highly doubt it is the MLS.

In this analogy, Xavi preferred to develop in MLS, better job if you are in middle/end of your career, but not good if you are trying to make it to Barca.
And he isn't taking that step to comeback as Barca B coach. If you think he would do it, you are in for a long wait

It takes way more, far more than money to make a nation's football structure competitive in the international level. The secret to it all is quite simple really: domestic talent pool created due to a footballing culture. 2nd division clubs might not have the huge stadiums, the ability to pay huge salaries, but they have the talent in terms of players and coaching. It's that level of surplus in talent that makes the 1st divisions so great, because of the overall footballing pyramid.

Xavi doesn't have to go to Barca B and coach kids, he can go to Germany, England, France, and whatever and coach lower tier clubs. It's what will benefit his development as a coach the most. Unfortunately he's one of those "silver spoon" coaches who think they're too good for the footballing pyramid and would rather stay in a soft high paying job until Barcelona's idiotic enough to come calling for him because he's a legend.

Look at how easy it is for legends to get jobs in Nice, Marseille, Lyon w/e. Xavi can get direct experience with Spanish football by hooking up with the Levantes of the world, but he probably thinks he's too good for it.

 

[Barcilliant]

It takes way more, far more than money to make a nation's football structure competitive in the international level. The secret to it all is quite simple really: domestic talent pool created due to a footballing culture. 2nd division clubs might not have the huge stadiums, the ability to pay huge salaries, but they have the talent in terms of players and coaching. It's that level of surplus in talent that makes the 1st divisions so great, because of the overall footballing pyramid.

Xavi doesn't have to go to Barca B and coach kids, he can go to Germany, England, France, and whatever and coach lower tier clubs. It's what will benefit his development as a coach the most. Unfortunately he's one of those "silver spoon" coaches who think they're too good for the footballing pyramid and would rather stay in a soft high paying job until Barcelona's idiotic enough to come calling for him because he's a legend.

Look at how easy it is for legends to get jobs in Nice, Marseille, Lyon w/e. Xavi can get direct experience with Spanish football by hooking up with the Levantes of the world, but he probably thinks he's too good for it.

Totally agree.
If Xavi takes over it will be a disaster imo. Laporta will regret it. At the moment he is just enjoying a high paid, low pressure job.
He needs to be pressure tested before given the job. Just because he s a club legend doesn't mean he gets a pass.

 

[Bobo32]

Qatar has better money, better weather, better camels, hotter women (you just can't see them).

I'm not begrudging Xavi choice. But I do think it would be a more valuable experience to take a lower level Spanish team and test your ideas there than Qatar.

It worked well for Pep and LE.

Sure, but what insight do we even have? Other than the camels and the weather, we can only assume...

Xavi went there to play, stayed as manager. Maybe the world cup is a factor. It would be different if he went to another random asian league to coach.
I believe there are positives as well as negatives about coaching in Qatar, it's very hard to know the sum of it all. An intelligent man will be able to learn a lot there I am sure.

 

[DonAK]

Multiple board members as well as Laporta's close advisors and former players want to bet on Xavi as Barca's next manager, but Laporta not a big fan right now it seems. Ideally want Xavi to start coaching in Barca B first, but Xavi believes his value and experience as a footballer at Barca should outweigh that.

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futb...73275/corriente-interna-favorable-a-xavi.html

 

[BarcaOG]

lmao chill people xavi isnt coaching brazil what a silly non-story

 

[vegitot]

It isn't, at all.
And gulf in infrastructure? Are you kidding yourself?

Qatar won Asian cup dominantly with a team from local players, it is actually developing in very good rate

All while not being related to the fact that "bigger job" is actually different.
Hell, even coaching jobs in Tunisia or Egypt top clubs are bigger than lower teams in Spain for example. Setien was preferring to come to Cairo than lower clubs in Spain ffs

Qatar is just rich and they can pay Xavi a lot of money. No pressure like in Europe. Seem like a dream job everyone wants. But not something a future Barca coach would want to be.
Qatar is Asian cup 2019 winner but they never play in world cup till next year. Their football can not compared to Japan or Korea. They make their history in world biggest stage.

 

[vegitot]

Honestly I forgot that you're Egyptian. It makes sense you're sitting there thinking Morocco, Tunisia, and Qatar are at all comparable to top European football. Rankings, results in the international stage, the fact that players in Qatar are not at all desirable in the highest levels of footballs whatsoever, and all the evidence in the world won't convince you otherwise.

It's cute that you think that Qatar doing good in Asian competitions is somehow remarkable, when quite literally all of Asian football is probably decades behind European football Lmao

Eh Morocco was the best team of 2018 world cup groub B.

 

[DonAK]

Algeria also almost eliminated Germany in the 2014 WC. They missed too many chances.

Asian Football is far, far behind European Football, but I don't think Xavi experimenting at a lower level which lets be honest is as good/bad or better, likely better than Segunda B level is necessarily a bad thing.

Although ofc ideally he should've done what someone like Xabi Alonso is currently doing.

 

[Birdy]

Some big inside info from Font about his right-hand Xavi (before the last back-stabbed him in order to make Laporta consider giving him the 1st team job):
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Victor Font: "I would have celebrated if Xavi had become the coach. I think his level is enough to train this team."
Victor Font: "Xavi was going to count on players like Piqu?, Busquets, Alba and Sergi Roberto. I don't know if that's the case currently."

SO:
This is telling of i) how narrow-minded Xavi is as to players and style of play. He still lives in 08-12.
ii) how blinded Font is in regards to Xavi's ability


Another big L for all the 'Xavi as a coach' fanboys on this platform.