Yaya Toure

[FCB_Titi_LB]

haha
all of your examples are the consequence of a lack of defensive presence in front of puyol/pique or behind Xavi. They need a force to reduce the pressure on them. Thats what Yaya delivers. Busquets is a playmaker. When we loose the ball there is nothing he can do to stop attacking opponents. Perhaps the usual dive.

Keep living in that tunnel.

 

[10Rivaldo]

haha
all of your examples are the consequence of a lack of defensive presence in front of puyol/pique or behind Xavi. They need a force to reduce the pressure on them. Thats what Yaya delivers. Busquets is a playmaker. When we loose the ball there is nothing he can do to stop attacking opponents. Perhaps the usual dive.

Keep living in that tunnel.

Oh you're totally right, I'm sorry for ever challenging your opinion. Maybe you should get a coaching badge and win six trophies. I bet anyone that can win six trophies in a year will prefer Yaya over Busquets.

 

[maxan10]

Oh you're totally right, I'm sorry for ever challenging your opinion. Maybe you should get a coaching badge and win six trophies. I bet anyone that can win six trophies in a year will prefer Yaya over Busquets.

Did you post the same comment to someone else yesterday on a different thread or am i suffering from dejavu.. maybe it's the same one i saw and i suffer from amnesia. anyway..

 

[iced1776]

Oh you're totally right, I'm sorry for ever challenging your opinion. Maybe you should get a coaching badge and win six trophies. I bet anyone that can win six trophies in a year will prefer Yaya over Busquets.

The whole sarcastic and condescending "you're not a coach you're obviously wrong" argument gets real old, real fast. It's nothing more than a deflection, isn't the whole point of a message board to discuss our observations on the team? If I'm not a professional musician am I not allowed an opinion on a band's music?

The fact is that Busquets provides very little in defending counter attacks, which is the most common attack we face. His tackling is strong when he can run at the player, but he is very very weak defending against players who are running at him. He usually just half heartedly sticks a leg out and watches the attacker blow by him, and although it may not have cost us full games this year it has certainly contributed to conceding several goals.

 

[Aryagorn]

Players at young age show a LOT of development, which makes it a huge advantage for them to get the national team call up early in their career... he's going to South Africa, a different coach with whom he's gonna spend over a month. Also there's this Senna!! I'm hopeful it will make a positive difference to Busi's game and add a valuable experience. If busi is gonna be better by even 0.000001% next season, yeah I can live with Yaya leaving!! But only I'm reluctant to lose out on the comfort level that is The Yaya

**Busi gave good performances last summer, during Confed Cup... This actually gives me a lot of hope

 

[Metaphysical]

talking about who cost us in what game is a bit silly, as when we lose games it's not JUST the defenders fault. the attackers have to take responsibility too, for not scoring enough.

anyway, there's no point arguing with yayaistas. they support the player above even the club, so they're really not worth your time and effort. although I understand it's hard to let them blather on without responding. I find myself falling into their traps, constantly.

haha
all of your examples are the consequence of a lack of defensive presence in front of puyol/pique or behind Xavi. They need a force to reduce the pressure on them. Thats what Yaya delivers. Busquets is a playmaker. When we loose the ball there is nothing he can do to stop attacking opponents. Perhaps the usual dive.

Keep living in that tunnel.

actually...

...piqué's own-goal was a result of marquez losing the ball like a schmuck on the dead-ball line. nothing any DM could have done about that, a pure moment of rafaism.

...I'll grant you that yaya probably would have stopped reyes before he got to make the pass to forlan (anyway I think he was suspended or injured for that match coz he wasn't in the squad at all) although it was a nice move by reyes to skip inside sergi to make the pass.

...as for the almeria game, yaya was playing in that one so how you figure he would have prevented that mistake is beyond me. he also played in valencia when pedro missed a lot of sitters, which apparently was also because busquets isn't as powerful a DM presence as yaya.

do you ever talk sense?

 

[Valon]

Sense and Titi are two different worlds.

 

[Metaphysical]

The fact is that Busquets provides very little in defending counter attacks, which is the most common attack we face. His tackling is strong when he can run at the player, but he is very very weak defending against players who are running at him. He usually just half heartedly sticks a leg out and watches the attacker blow by him, and although it may not have cost us full games this year it has certainly contributed to conceding several goals.

a fair point.

however he's much better than yaya at moving to tackle a player in possession. yaya can do it but often he telegraphs it too much so the opponent gets the ball away, or he fouls them. in general, he waits for them to come and then he tackles them. sergi's actively defensive, whereas yaya is reactively defensive. and pep prefers the first kind because it goes hand-in-hand with our high-pressure game. the kind of reactive defensive midfielder yaya is, is suited a style of football that is more compartmentalised. which is fine, but pep is aiming for a more complete style which is why he plays sergi so much.

NOW, ideally sergi would be better at reactive defending, but he's still very young and really, still learning the DM position (he started as a forward). he will get better and more assured the older and more experienced he gets. and that's the crucial bit, the experience. if we leave him on the bench in favour of yaya, then he's not gonna learn is he? but by playing him, the kid has become one of the fastest-improving midfielders in world football. as estel says he's going to the world cup, possibly as starting DM for the best national side in the world, at 21 years of age. that's amazing and he deserves all our support, not people whinging and pining for a midfielder who quite frankly looks a shadow of the colossus he was the previous season.

 

[iced1776]

a fair point.

however he's much better than yaya at moving to tackle a player in possession. yaya can do it but often he telegraphs it too much so the opponent gets the ball away, or he fouls them. in general, he waits for them to come and then he tackles them. sergi's actively defensive, whereas yaya is reactively defensive. and pep prefers the first kind because it goes hand-in-hand with our high-pressure game. the kind of reactive defensive midfielder yaya is, is suited a style of football that is more compartmentalised. which is fine, but pep is aiming for a more complete style which is why he plays sergi so much.

NOW, ideally sergi would be better at reactive defending, but he's still very young and really, still learning the DM position (he started as a forward). he will get better and more assured the older and more experienced he gets. and that's the crucial bit, the experience. if we leave him on the bench in favour of yaya, then he's not gonna learn is he? but by playing him, the kid has become one of the fastest-improving midfielders in world football. as estel says he's going to the world cup, possibly as starting DM for the best national side in the world, at 21 years of age. that's amazing and he deserves all our support, not people whinging and pining for a midfielder who quite frankly looks a shadow of the colossus he was the previous season.

I'm sure this is exactly what Pep means when he says that he plays Sergi for "tactical" reasons, and against weaker midfields its definitely the right gameplan. With that said I wish we'd see more of Yaya against teams that attack with strength and pace, because tracking down players running through the middle of the field is what Yaya does best.

Of course the quickest way to have a player improve and gain experience is by tossing him straight into the starting eleven, but this should never be done at the expense of fielding the strongest team possible. I don't think Sergi should be on the bench coming on for the last 10 minutes of the game (like Pep often does with Bojan), but even given the ACN and illness I think that tactically Yaya deserved to play the majority of minutes this season.

I'd like to think that I'm one of the more rational yayaists on the board, but to say that he is a shadow of himself is going a bit far. His poor performances have been blown almost as far out of proportion as Ibra's and Sergi's poor performances (of which there have been several...) have been brushed aside as harmless bumps in the learning process. Sergi does deserve our full support because he has played many great games and will be a huge part of our midfield from this point on, but Yaya deserves our support as well because he still has a lot to contribute to the team.

 

[zealot]

I really think Toure, in the current Barca setup, is more suitable as a CB. His pace is really useful for us to deal with counter attacks.

What I don't like about Toure is not only about his lack of vision and movement to support our free flowing game, but also what he would always do when he ran out of ideas with the ball; he would dribble the ball forward, like he did against Spurs in a pre-season friendly. He has the tendency to do that. True the move had done us good, such as the goal he scored against Bilbao in CDR final last year, but I can't remember another good example of such move that had given us benefit. He always make our forwards rather confused, as Toure himself don't have the ability to play good one-two with them. In the end, most of his dribble were wasted, and we always lost the ball as a result.

For me, our DM should not be necessarily a tough and hard tackling style, because the job of closing down opponents and defending is the job for the whole team. We hound opponents in group. We don't rely on our DM for that job.

 

[iced1776]

I really think Toure, in the current Barca setup, is more suitable as a CB. His pace is really useful for us to deal with counter attacks.

What I don't like about Toure is not only about his lack of vision and movement to support our free flowing game, but also what he would always do when he ran out of ideas with the ball; he would dribble the ball forward, like he did against Spurs in a pre-season friendly. He has the tendency to do that. True the move had done us good, such as the goal he scored against Bilbao in CDR final last year, but I can't remember another good example of such move that had given us benefit. He always make our forwards rather confused, as Toure himself don't have the ability to play good one-two with them. In the end, most of his dribble were wasted, and we always lost the ball as a result.

For me, our DM should not be necessarily a tough and hard tackling style, because the job of closing down opponents and defending is the job for the whole team. We hound opponents in group. We don't rely on our DM for that job.

Just within the last month one of those runs has paid off, he burst forward and assisted Zlatan for the 3rd goal in the Xerez game. To be honest I'm not quite sure where you got this idea from, his forward runs have never been detrimental and he doesn't make them very often. If anything, the times that he loses possession the most are when he's too slow in redistributing the ball and gets closed down on, which is a problem because it usually happens deep in our side of the field.

 

[barca96]

MoM

 

[knicks]

The king.

 

[ryuken]

Kudos to you , big man. Epic Performance.

 

[theone]

he's great