Zidane vs Ronaldinho

Who was greater?

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JamDav1982

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R9 without doubt had a better peak.

That is not even open for any realistic debate.

Zidane was top but lot of myth surrounds him. Would have a Xavi in my team ahead of him every day and was the higher performer week out.

This idea Xavi was 'lucky' with teams he had.. Zidane arrived at Juve who had been in last two CL finals winning one and losing other on penalties...

He then arrived to Real who were biggest spending club in the world and had won two of four previous CLs.

More myths that dont add up just like the 'clutch gene'.
 
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JohnN

JohnN

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Voted Ronaldinho for the nostalgia. Also, because he turned the tide for barca, made me a fan of the team and was a mwntor to messi.
Zidane is a great player, but I have no attachment to him.
 
jamrock

jamrock

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khaled_a_d said:
Peak R10 is better, but durability matters and Ronaldinho fails miserably at that. His prime ended at 27 and career in Europe was over before the age of 30.
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This i agree with 100%,I've often said their is only maybe 5/6 players I'd take over peak dinho all time, at his best he's a force of nature.

After the 06 WC where the coach killed his spirit, he came back and gave us one of the best ever league performance from a Barcelona player even though we lost the league that season.

After that he was pretty much done, maybe pep could have gotten him to care again, but we will never know.
 
jamrock

jamrock

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One of season where a team is going for the double + WC.

Taking every game into consideration, not just winning the finals.

Dinho better than zidane, he's going to contribute more over the entire season to help his team accomplish that goal.

Career, longevity, impact,. Zidane.
 
bismp

bismp

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ZZ is a little bit overrated, but he does win in the longevity and accolades categories by a landslide.

Both have a WC, but while Zidane's 1998 WC is overrated, he did win it as the main man, while R10 was the third wheel in the Brazilian attack. Following that, ZZ had one of the best WC's in 2006 right before his retirement, the same WC that R10 was supposed to lead Brazil to glory as the main man.

ZZ also had a great Euro 2000 iirc. R10 did win the Copa America with Brazil in 1999, but he was only 19 at the time, so I assume he did not play a major role.

Then you have to factor club success. ZZ was one of the best players in the world while he played in Juventus, being among the best players on the team that went to multiple CL finals. Then he went to Real Madrid and won the 2002 CL, being inarguably among the most important players. All in all he had maybe 5-6 years at the top (meaning considered among the 5 best players in the world), but still remained effective towards the end of his career.

On the other hand, you have R10, who really emerged as a top player around or maybe even after the 2002 WC. Without a doubt he had 3 fantastic seasons with Barca and really was critical to "make Barca great again". He did win the 2006 CL, though no one would argue that his efforts belong among the greatest CL campaigns of all time. Then he fell massively, we all know the story. He left Europe only aged 30.
 
iniestaGOAT

iniestaGOAT

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bismp said:
ZZ is a little bit overrated, but he does win in the longevity and accolades categories by a landslide.

Both have a WC, but while Zidane's 1998 WC is overrated, he did win it as the main man, while R10 was the third wheel in the Brazilian attack. Following that, ZZ had one of the best WC's in 2006 right before his retirement, the same WC that R10 was supposed to lead Brazil to glory as the main man.

ZZ also had a great Euro 2000 iirc. R10 did win the Copa America with Brazil in 1999, but he was only 19 at the time, so I assume he did not play a major role.

Then you have to factor club success. ZZ was one of the best players in the world while he played in Juventus, being among the best players on the team that went to multiple CL finals. Then he went to Real Madrid and won the 2002 CL, being inarguably among the most important players. All in all he had maybe 5-6 years at the top (meaning considered among the 5 best players in the world), but still remained effective towards the end of his career.

On the other hand, you have R10, who really emerged as a top player around or maybe even after the 2002 WC. Without a doubt he had 3 fantastic seasons with Barca and really was critical to "make Barca great again". He did win the 2006 CL, though no one would argue that his efforts belong among the greatest CL campaigns of all time. Then he fell massively, we all know the story. He left Europe only aged 30.
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Lil bro you need to chill and stop the cap.
He wins in longevity by landslide.
That's it.

But r10 is Brazilian. We don't worry about longevity when discussing Brazilians.

If that was the case r9s career would be booty.

R9>R10>>>> zidane

You have to question ball knowledge of anybody who has it in different order.
 
bismp

bismp

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iniestaGOAT said:
Lil bro you need to chill and stop the cap.
He wins in longevity by landslide.
That's it.

But r10 is Brazilian. We don't worry about longevity when discussing Brazilians.

If that was the case r9s career would be booty.

R9>R10>>>> zidane

You have to question ball knowledge of anybody who has it in different order.
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Not considering longevity just because they are brazilians is a coping mechanism :lol:

Pele was Brazilian and was at the top of his game for 10 years at least.

Even Neymar, who admittedly benefited more from modern medicine, stayed at a great level for 10 years or so.

R10 had like 5-6 great seasons, if we are being generous to count 06/07 and the PSG seasons. In this time frame he had like 3-4 elite seasons tops.

Henry also had some elite seasons in the PL in the early 2000s, winning 2 League titles in an arguably tougher league at the time, plus 2 player of the year awards. Adding to that he had a more than decent international career and a vastly better longevity, including being an important piece at Barca in 2008/09, effectively replacing „oldman“ R10 (he should have been at his prime back then).

The only thing R10 has over Henry is of course the natural talent, but in terms of accolades and real achievements is the 2006 CL. What if Larson did not go into god mode in the final and Arsenal won?

As for R9, he obviously was extremely unlucky with injuries. Still even with injuries he had one of the best international careers ever.
 
iniestaGOAT

iniestaGOAT

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bismp said:
Not considering longevity just because they are brazilians is a coping mechanism :lol:

Pele was Brazilian and was at the top of his game for 10 years at least.

Even Neymar, who admittedly benefited more from modern medicine, stayed at a great level for 10 years or so.

R10 had like 5-6 great seasons, if we are being generous to count 06/07 and the PSG seasons. In this time frame he had like 3-4 elite seasons tops.

Henry also had some elite seasons in the PL in the early 2000s, winning 2 League titles in an arguably tougher league at the time, plus 2 player of the year awards. Adding to that he had a more than decent international career and a vastly better longevity, including being an important piece at Barca in 2008/09, effectively replacing „oldman“ R10 (he should have been at his prime back then).

The only thing R10 has over Henry is of course the natural talent, but in terms of accolades and real achievements is the 2006 CL. What if Larson did not go into god mode in the final and Arsenal won?

As for R9, he obviously was extremely unlucky with injuries. Still even with injuries he had one of the best international careers ever.
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What is lil bro waffling about?
Your whole post is irrelevant since you decided to give R9 a pass for his longevity.

Ronaldinho career ended cause of his partying.
Ronaldo because of his unhealthy eating habits and his love for hamburgers.

Does not change anything though lil bro
In terms of greatness,
R9 first then r10 and Lidane a distant third.
 
bismp

bismp

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iniestaGOAT said:
What is lil bro waffling about?
Your whole post is irrelevant since you decided to give R9 a pass for his longevity.

Ronaldinho career ended cause of his partying.
Ronaldo because of his unhealthy eating habits and his love for hamburgers.

Does not change anything though lil bro
In terms of greatness,
R9 first then r10 and Lidane a distant third.
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„Lil bro“ sit down and chill :lol:

R9 had 2 massive injuries back to back, he really did not play any football for like 3 years. When he came back, of course he did not have healthy habits, but his talent before the injuries was so great that he earns comparisons with prime Pele and prime Messi.

R10 had no career-ending injuries, he just stopped giving a fuck. He went from the best player in the world in 2005-2006 to a scrub in 2008. That‘s unthinkable, it had never happened before in modern football or happened since. Even Maradona in the 80s who was addicted to many things had a longer prime than R10.

So next time you reply, use arguments because you are exposing yourself lil bro
 
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Temptation

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iniestaGOAT said:
What is lil bro waffling about?
Your whole post is irrelevant since you decided to give R9 a pass for his longevity.

Ronaldinho career ended cause of his partying.
Ronaldo because of his unhealthy eating habits and his love for hamburgers.

Does not change anything though lil bro
In terms of greatness,
R9 first then r10 and Lidane a distant third.
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Man said Lidane! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


@Fati_Future_BallonDor
 
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