1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

Icarium

Lifestealer
Bravo in la liga is fine if he plays like this. He is doing very well and his passing is also very good. Plus he brings experience which is much needed. Mats might be better but he needs to prove himself first to replace bravo. CL and copa for Mats. If Mats plays like a beast I am sure by the end of December he will be starting in the league too.

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DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
He have only had one or two shots saved in 3 games so far tbf :lol:

:lol: exactly, where did this notion come from that the position is Bravo's to lose? He hasn't had much to do in the first few games granted but the fact remains that he is not too good a keeper and we gain no long term benefit from having him remain over MATS for too long. I'm fine with his role right now but this whole "Bravo seniority and experience blah blah" nonsense isn't true and not even remotely worth prioritizing.
 

Icarium

Lifestealer
It is not his fault that he had only 2 or 3 shots to save. He was good and i don't see why lucho should bench him. Let Mats play in CL and see how he does. I know everyone loves Mats and want lucho to start him and even i want that, but it will not happen at least for now. It will take time i think. By the end of December i think Mats will bench Bravo if he beasts CL. If Mats does not CL too then it is a problem. We have to wait and see.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
It is not his fault that he had only 2 or 3 shots to save. He was good and i don't see why lucho should bench him. Let Mats play in CL and see how he does. I know everyone loves Mats and want lucho to start him and even i want that, but it will not happen at least for now. It will take time i think. By the end of December i think Mats will bench Bravo if he beasts CL. If Mats does not CL too then it is a problem. We have to wait and see.

Just like it's not Ter Stegen's fault that he got injured.

I don't get what you're saying to be honest. Are you saying that Bravo deserves to start based on these three games or are you saying that he should get a free chit until December because of these three games and let TS play in the CL and then later decide who should play in Liga. :eusa_think:

Or are you saying that you think Bravo is the designed starter by the management right now after of these three games just because he started these.

Anyway, let's see what happens from now on.
 
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Icarium

Lifestealer
Just like it's not Ter Stegen's fault that he got injured.

I don't get what you're saying to be honest. Are you saying that Bravo deserves to start based on these three games or are you saying that he should get a free chit until December because of these three games and let TS play in the CL and then later decide who should play in Liga. :eusa_think:

Or are you saying that you think Bravo is the designed starter by the management right now after of these three games just because he started these.

Anyway, let's see what happens from now on.

It is not Mats mistake that he got injured :song: i agree. What i am saying is if Mats is really good he will definitely bench Bravo. Managers don't generally experiment on GK position and we all know Bravo is lucho signing. Lucho will definitely bench bravo if he thinks he is not playing at top level. He did not start xavi and he even benched pique. He picks the best options he has most of the time. And i think he will do the same with Mats. Let us see how he plays some matches (2-3) in CL and then decide. For now i don't see why Bravo should be benched.

And that highlighted part.. No he did not concede goals in these three matches and did not make a wrong pass afaik that lead to a chance. And Mats did not start even one competitive match yet. After some competitive matches in CL then the coach will be more informed to make a decision. It is not granted that Mats is 100 times better than Bravo. Mats is young and a new team new country it will take some time to adjust. And if he makes one silly mistake fans and media will turn against him. Bravo can handle that imo because of his experience. I think 2-3 months is right time for him to completely adjust to the team. He should play CL matches though otherwise he will never start this season. If he does not start CL then something is wrong.
 

zanela

Senior Member
You think he'll leave next summer if he's not the starter in this one? I doubt it. He's young, with time he will bench Bravo. Bravo coming back earlier from his international duties showed he knows he's not the starter.

He's young but he's also ambitious. If he was put on the market today, he'd attract atleast half a dozen clubs for his signature, unlike the chilean. So I don't see why he should be Bravo's sub when he can be a starting keeper at a top club elsewhere, and in doing so challenge Seuer for Die Mannschaft's #1, which seems to be his main objective.
Bravo is Lucho's man, who was bought for big money. He'll be given the platform and the opps, to justify his purchase. Seeing Lucho overlooked his Napoli howler, and his interviews belittling his younger comp, suggest he backs Bravo fully.
Playing tS in the CDR, and CL would be gross mismanagement of him, considering the gulf in quality btwn the two comps. You can't throw a 22y.o in the CL without warm-up games, and expect him to beast it. The logical thing is to have one designated keeper for both PL and CL, and the other for the CDR. OR, have more experience reserved for the CL (in this case Bravo) and allow the younger 'un to grow with the continuity and the assurance that the league offers, unlike the fine margin-for-error-CL.
In short, I think we'll lose a potentially world class keeper over Lucho's 31 y.o preference. I may get hate for this, but I hope one of Asenjo/D.Alves win the zamora, or else we'll 've some delusional folks tell us what a world class keeper Bravo is (like in the aftermath of the WC). I can't get myself to like someone who shows li'l regard/respect to his competitors.
 
It is not Mats mistake that he got injured :song: i agree. What i am saying is if Mats is really good he will definitely bench Bravo. Managers don't generally experiment on GK position and we all know Bravo is lucho signing. Lucho will definitely bench bravo if he thinks he is not playing at top level. He did not start xavi and he even benched pique. He picks the best options he has most of the time. And i think he will do the same with Mats. Let us see how he plays some matches (2-3) in CL and then decide. For now i don't see why Bravo should be benched.

And that highlighted part.. No he did not concede goals in these three matches and did not make a wrong pass afaik that lead to a chance. And Mats did not start even one competitive match yet. After some competitive matches in CL then the coach will be more informed to make a decision. It is not granted that Mats is 100 times better than Bravo. Mats is young and a new team new country it will take some time to adjust. And if he makes one silly mistake fans and media will turn against him. Bravo can handle that imo because of his experience. I think 2-3 months is right time for him to completely adjust to the team. He should play CL matches though otherwise he will never start this season. If he does not start CL then something is wrong.

Because Mats is a better GK. Simple as that. That's what matters, not Bravo's experience or the fact that Bravo got a lucky head start because of Mats' injury. Bravo hasn't even been that good the few times he's had to do anything. There's no reason to start Bravo over Mats.
 
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Flavia

Guest
He's young but he's also ambitious. If he was put on the market today, he'd attract atleast half a dozen clubs for his signature, unlike the chilean. So I don't see why he should be Bravo's sub when he can be a starting keeper at a top club elsewhere, and in doing so challenge Seuer for Die Mannschaft's #1, which seems to be his main objective.
Bravo is Lucho's man, who was bought for big money. He'll be given the platform and the opps, to justify his purchase. Seeing Lucho overlooked his Napoli howler, and his interviews belittling his younger comp, suggest he backs Bravo fully.
Playing tS in the CDR, and CL would be gross mismanagement of him, considering the gulf in quality btwn the two comps. You can't throw a 22y.o in the CL without warm-up games, and expect him to beast it. The logical thing is to have one designated keeper for both PL and CL, and the other for the CDR. OR, have more experience reserved for the CL (in this case Bravo) and allow the younger 'un to grow with the continuity and the assurance that the league offers, unlike the fine margin-for-error-CL.
In short, I think we'll lose a potentially world class keeper over Lucho's 31 y.o preference. I may get hate for this, but I hope one of Asenjo/D.Alves win the zamora, or else we'll 've some delusional folks tell us what a world class keeper Bravo is (like in the aftermath of the WC). I can't get myself to like someone who shows li'l regard/respect to his competitors.

I think you're getting a bit ahead, with no good reason for it. We don't know if Lucho had plans to start MAtS in the league, as he got injured during a crucial time. He is ambitious, but I doubt he'll chicken out after only one season.
 

suckabov

Lemon curry?
Wouldn't be like MAtS at all to give up after only one season, highly doubt that. Also doubt that challenging Neuer in the NT matters to him so much that he'd easily give up a career in the club he's wanted to play for for years (I know everybody says that, but MAtS talked about Barça already back in 2011).

I agree with Flavia, Bravo wouldn't have returned early from international duty if he had been given assurances by Lucho that he'd be the undisputed #1 for the season. Ofc a week has passed since then, but we don't know why exactly Bravo started the Athletic game - perhaps MAtS still wasn't 100%, green light or not, or Lucho wanted to give him a lighter start, etc. Even if not, not sure whether Lucho definitely won't "experiment" (as in switching keepers) throughout the season; the decision pro Bravo was initially made only because of the injury, and secondly it's not even so unlikely that Bravo will fuck up sooner or later.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
tbh,niether GK has done anything to warrant being 1st choice or being 2nd choice so far ,I think MATS should get his chance soon and let the better one earn his place to be no 1
 

Ini8

¡Gr?*cies Xavi!
I don't think that Bravo is a better keeper than MAtS, but at the moment, he is probably better communication wise. I'm sure that MAtS will be preferred once he is good enough at Spanish.
 

jairzinho

Senior Member
From my understanding, The rationale for the purchase of Ter Stergen was for him to become the long term replacement for VV once it became evident that he was no longer going to remain at the Camp Nou after his contract expired. So the understanding was that Marc, upon his arrival would fill the role left by VV as the long term no1 with Bravo acting as a deputy or backup. So obviously there are raised eyebrows now that the roles have been reversed. I think the reality is that lucho doesn't feel compelled to start Marc as he isn't his signing, or maybe because the injuries haven't allowed him to feel comfortable about him as yet. As the season goes along we'll see.
 

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