1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

[Kerrybai]

Why not? We all know Ter Stegen was not happy and Bravo is Luis Enrique's preferred keeper.

Do we know he's not happy ? He seems pretty happy to me besides the CWC where he was left out. He's on the verge of anothere cup final and a deep CL run. In a a year or 2 he will be likely our number 1 keeper , if not we will probably loan him out. He won't be sold unless the club is utterly stupid.

 

[serghei]

He had a shaken start of the season, but he's playing well now. It's hard for me to say who's better, because Bravo minutes are consistent, not cup minutes.
Both are on a very similar level, to me.

In terms of ability, I'd say they are close. Stegen has more talent and the potential to be the best keeper in the world one day. For now, Bravo's experience and his personality, as well as being from a latin country, with a similar culture to Spain, is what makes him the better option, at least in La Liga, a competition he knows inside out (the language, the stadiums, the atmosphere, players etc. etc.).

I'd also agree he improved after what was a pretty rough time for him at the start of the season, but it's also importat to say that, when he had to step up and show he can be our no1 keeper in all competitions, he failed, and fans missed Bravo in the goal. He's not ready yet imho, but he will be. It's up to him, because I don't think the club is stupid enough to sell him.

He won't be sold unless the club is utterly stupid.

Or he wants to leave. When you don't play in the most important competition of the season (La Liga is about 70% of the season, all sure games), you could think about leaving. It's up to Lucho to find a way to keep both as happy as possible.

 

[Kerrybai]

I don't think anyone should worry , if Lucho senses Ter Stegen trying to make a move he will surely swap the roles ( Bravo CL and Cup ) frome next season or the season after that. He knows as we all do that Ter Stegen is the future but he also wants to get everything he can out if Bravo.

Lucho in the end will be smart enough and if push comes to shove and the club will keep Ter Stegen happy .

 

[Butaan4barca]

He had a shaken start of the season, but he's playing well now. It's hard for me to say who's better, because Bravo minutes are consistent, not cup minutes.
Both are on a very similar level, to me.

i can't either, but bravo just stand a little out, for now atleast. But who ever it is. The second one is too good to stay on bench and agree a compromise on cup and champions league only. So sooner and later each one will want to play full time, and the decision will have to be made. Sooner or later, its coming.

 

[Flavia]

i can't either, but bravo just stand a little out, for now atleast. But who ever it is. The second one is too good to stay on bench and agree a compromise on cup and champions league only. So sooner and later each one will want to play full time, and the decision will have to be made. Sooner or later, its coming.

Hopefully later. As much as possible.

 

[Barcaman]

Did you guys see goals conceded stats between the two. Per minutes played and all?
Tells you everything about who's better.

 

[barcafan161]

Marc has never been the sole reason for losses, ever. He made some stupid mistakes in the past but was just as important in the CL as Bravo was in the league. Add to that his age, his potential and his playing style and you'll see why it'd be stupid to sell him.

Bravo might be marginally better than Stegen right now but the latter has the potential to become the best keeper in the world. That, to me, is unquestionable.

Young & great GKs are incredibly hard to find + not everyone will be suitable for our style of play. We signed THE keeper who has everything a potential world-class GK needs to have. Why sell him? Because Bravo is better RIGHT NOW?

If we sell him now, we'll find ourselves desperate for a good goalkeeper in the near future. It's inevitable. And I'm pretty sure that we'll end up with a much worse player than Marc.

Not directing this at you but people should stop pretending that Bravo is miles ahead of Marc. He isn't. I agree with those who say that he's better but to me it's not that much of a difference to justify seeling the younger keeper with much more potential.

Selling him is a huge mistake for the future but I can see why he might want to leave. He likely feels he needs to be playing every week for his international career going forward. However won't be first choice for a while yet wether he plays every week of not.

 

[Luftstalag14]

I don't think anyone should worry , if Lucho senses Ter Stegen trying to make a move he will surely swap the roles ( Bravo CL and Cup ) frome next season or the season after that. He knows as we all do that Ter Stegen is the future but he also wants to get everything he can out if Bravo.

Lucho in the end will be smart enough and if push comes to shove and the club will keep Ter Stegen happy .

I am not sure about that, Kerry. Luis Enrique might not share the general consensus that we fans do on certain players, he seems to be pretty hell bent with his own convictions on players. For example Gambau over Samper, he was OK with letting Grimaldo leave at the expense of the club not having a proper backup LB etc.

I pray that you are right though.

 

[Barcaman]

I am not sure about that, Kerry. Luis Enrique might not share the general consensus that we fans do on certain players, he seems to be pretty hell bent with his own convictions on players. For example Gambau over Samper, he was OK with letting Grimaldo leave at the expense of the club not having a proper backup LB etc.

I pray that you are right though.

Samper played more minutes than Gumbau this season.

 

[Jombi]

One problem is the expectations of instant success and Lucho's idea that players who are more like his own age are more trustworthy. It's important for both our team and Lucho that we win now of course, but we cant do that at the expense of long term planning.

Our competitors haved stocked up on the best young players in the early 20s for years and if we lose both Ter Stegen and Bartra, while continuing down the path of pushing for Nolito type signings, we are rapidly looking like an old age home where the whole team needs to be replaced over the course of 2-3 years, costing a billion euros or more and causing severe disruption to our team.

 

[Luftstalag14]

One problem is the expectations of instant success and Lucho's idea that players who are more like his own age are more trustworthy. It's important for both our team and Lucho that we win now of course, but we cant do that at the expense of long term planning.

Our competitors stock up on the best young players in the early 20s and if we lose both Ter Stegen and Bartra, while continuing down the path of pushing for Nolito type signings, we are rapidly looking like an old age home where the whole team needs to be replaced over the course of 2-3 years, costing way above a billion euros and causing severe disruption to our team.

This. Whatever Luis Enrique's vision is, as long as he is still the manager it should be respected and accommodated. That said, the club needs to also impose its own vision and long-term goals when it comes to player selections etc.

The bottom line is, we need to keep Ter Stegen.

 

[Barcaman]

if Lucho senses Ter Stegen trying to make a move he will surely swap the roles ( Bravo CL and Cup ) frome next season or the season after that.

Sorry mate but that's naive. Lucho would never do that. Dropping one player because another is unsettled rarely happens and even less so in Barca under man like Lucho,

 

[Galning]

Ter Stegen knows if he stays he will be the starting goalkeeper for Barça for god knows how long. When he moves now where will he play? Liverpool? Don't make me laugh.

 

[mark1nhu]

Did you guys see goals conceded stats between the two. Per minutes played and all?
Tells you everything about who's better.

Oh, come on.

I also think Bravo should be our number 1 for a while, but you perfectly know stats can be misleading and it can't be the sole reason to say Mats is the worse one.

Take his last goal conceded, for instance. Somehow this kind of things luckily almost never happens with Bravo.

 

[Barcaman]

I'm not taking the "last goal" or any goal in particular. I am talking about 30+ games sample