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serghei

Senior Member
Let's not deny that age didn't have something to do with Pinto's decline from Zamora winner to what we had in Tata's last season.

It did. But we're not seeing any decline related to age in Bravo. So if we're not benching him because his performances dropped, why are we benching him?
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
It did. But we're not seeing any decline related to age in Bravo. So if we're not benching him because his performances dropped, why are we benching him?

Why do you keep saying that he'd be benched? By that logic, is Ter Stegen benched? It's just a role reversal from League Keeper to Cup Keeper.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Why do you keep saying that he'd be benched? By that logic, is Ter Stegen benched? It's just a role reversal from League Keeper to Cup Keeper.

Hypotethically speaking. He's not benched, but if he will be benched while his performances are still top, it would be age discriminatory imo.
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
Hypotethically speaking. He's not benched, but if he will be benched while his performances are still top, it would be age discriminatory imo.

By that logic isn't it also ageist against TS when you say that the older, more experienced goalkeeper should play La Liga just because he's been playing for longer?
 

Observer

Banned
This is where you should separate player perspective v/s team perspective.

In a team perspective, there is no room for individual ambition.
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
This is where you should separate player perspective v/s team perspective.

In a team perspective, there is no room for individual ambition.

In your ideal world maybe, but that's not how it really works. None of these players would be playing for Barça if they didn't have that individual drive and ambition.
 

serghei

Senior Member
By that logic isn't it also ageist against TS when you say that the older, more experienced goalkeeper should play La Liga just because he's been playing for longer?

No, because we saw how inexperience hurt Ter Stegen in the time Bravo was injured. Bravo should stay no1 in La Liga because he has proven to be the best in this competition, not because he is older.
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
No, because we saw how inexperience hurt Ter Stegen in the time Bravo was injured. Bravo should stay no1 in La Liga because he has proven to be the best in this competition, not because he is older.

What about the folks that claimed Bravo should displace TS from the Cl as well? And we should consider that the defense was less than satisfactory at the start of the season. TS and Bravo both suffered from this.
 

Observer

Banned
In your ideal world maybe, but that's not how it really works. None of these players would be playing for Barça if they didn't have that individual drive and ambition.

Yea but you are not getting it. Neither the fans, management or coach care about their personal ambitions.

They care about Barca winning (Barca, not Bravo or Mats or anyone). Barca wins if the key elements are used in the right place & time, not because "I feel I should be starter" approach
 
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DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Ter Stegen is no Pinto or a trainwreck that we'll lose the Liga if he starts.

You can make the exact same argument about Bravo playing in the Copa and CL. MAtS far more experienced with irregular playing time and a winner in both competitions so by that logic, Bravo certainly doesn't deserve starting in those competitions either.

Look at it that way, a switch would mean we'll see what both GKs are made out of, in competitions they're yet to showcase themselves in. Ultimately it's up to the management and what they prefer.
 
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Flavia

Guest
I dont consider any of the GKs as bench, neither should they.

They are playing La Liga & CL for Barca ffs, dream come true

So, no problem in reversing their roles. Who plays la Liga gets more playing time. Cl and cdr don't have many minutes guaranteed. Which is what mats needs more than Bravo.
 

Observer

Banned
[MENTION=20103]Flavia[/MENTION] If the switch happens & works for the benefit of the team, hell yeah why not
 
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