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God Serena
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So what you're saying is if Mats stays here for 7 years you'll be here saying "I told you so" and claim we shouldn't have sold Bravo?
Trickykid
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Exactly. And if we take a look at how and why they left, it's in nearly every single case either because they were no longer good enough (either because of age, or just lacking skill), or in a few instances they left on the odd controversial term Laudrup and Figo obviously). Nothing suggests that MATS - a goalie - should no longer be good enough in 5-6 years or whatever the statistics tell us.
But sure, let's wait whatever number of years the statistics will have it, and you can wag a knowing finger at us by then, BBZ.
navidjaan
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I appreciate your analysis, and you have a point, but I think Neymar and MAtS will break the rule here.
navidjaan
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Is this fact thing a joke?
KingMessi
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Rafa Benitez jokes. It's a troll thing, mostly. BBZ doesn't troll tho.
Neymar will be gone in a few seasons max imo
KingMessi
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NorthernVictory
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The fact he doesn't troll makes it all the more sad.
mark1nhu
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I honestly don't know about Neymar, despite cheering for that.
mark1nhu
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What made you choose nationality as major/only factor in your analysis?
You could have chosen position, for example, in which our last bright youngster (no matter the nationality) simply stayed for >10 years.
But no, of course you would choose the perfect factor to fit your agenda. You're BBZ, after all.
BTW, besides the issue with the reasons of each one departing, as people already pointed out, your list has only line players, which kind of ruin your bullshit analysis.
Line players come and go while keepers, especially an undisputed starter, usually stay for a very good amount of time.
You're a really funny guy, you know?
; )
BBZ8800
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Mostly, Tricky and Markinhu:
Markinhu, you asked why I picked foreign players, lol?
Exactly because homegrown or domestic players are quite different from foreign players from Germany, Sweden, Croatia and similar.
A player who was born in Barca, has Barcelona's DNA (not in a footballing way, but in a cultural way) in his blood.
Barcelona is his home town city.
Fc Barcelona is his one and only team from the youngest age.
Media, fans, family, friends are teaching him from the day 1 that there is a no better place to live, stay and win than in Barcelona.
Also, hot weather/climate, style of life in Barca=is his home, and his default climate and surroundings.
Now, take a guy from Sweden (Zlatan) or some German guy.
A guy who was born is Sweden/Germany doesn't have Barcelona as a city in his blood, for the beginning.
Further, when he was younger, media, friends and family probably watched EPL, Bayern or some other teams.
So, he won't be taught that Barca is the one and only team in the world by friends, family and media like Puyol, Xavi and others.
Further, style of life is quite different in Stockholm, Munchen and Barcelona. You have to change your way of living when you come to Barca.
Climate? It is quite different in Barca and Stockholm...
(I know, they are professionals, but still...)
I hope you'll understand now why I made the difference between domestic players and foreigners.
Even though, I could have made even more "classes" like:
Players from Barcelona
Players from other parts of Spain
Players from South American countries (Messi, Masch, Alves, Marquez, Neymar) which live in a somewhat similar climate and their style of life is somewhat similar to Spanish style of life.
And then in the end, foreigners from totally different cultures and climates, like Mats, Zlatan, Rakitic etc
Tricky, you are right about field players and Gks, there is a difference. Goalies have a higher chance to stay, I agree.
Why these players left, well that's a hindsight. It is easy to be smart now and say that they all left because of controversies.
Anyway, my point is that majority of fans here are putting too much weight on a pure technical skills of a player, and majority of people are giving too low importance to mental skills, IQ of a player, his personality, life situations like being a foreigner, getting divorced from your wife, getting a child and your wife wants to move to another city, your father dies, your brother dies, media problems, tax problems, loss of motivation after several years in the same (foreign) city, depression, being homesick eventually, alcohol and similar things.
The same how people raved about Halilovic because he had nice dribbles and technical skills, but that is only a tiny part of the whole picture whether he can make it here or not.
About Mats and similar foreigners from a totally different culture/climate, his goalkeeping skills are again only a tiny part of his future career at Barca.
He will need to have a cool head, he will need to avoid being a homesick, he will need to avoid a girlfriend who wants to move back to Germany when she gets pregnant, he will need to avoid 100s of random media/tax scandals in the future, he will need to stay cool from provocations from Sport and from fans who don't rate him, he will need to stay cold headed if there will be fans who will boo him after every mistake. That's life and these are the problems which come with playing for a team like Barca. You are facing 100s of problems outside of your pure footballing/technical skills.
So, more or less, we can see tons of posts on our forum, when we buy a 28 year old player:
= oh no, he is too old, and in 3-4 years we will need to find a replacement. A poor job from our board!
While, when we buy a 22 year old player, people usually say:
= yes! we have secured this position for the next 10+ years, an awesome job by the board!
While in reality, based on statistics and history, majority of players (who are NOT La Masia products, with Barcelona as a city and as a club, in their blood) will come, stay and leave from here in much shorter cycles, usually 3-4-5 or 6 years as a max, on average, regardless if they are aged 22 or 28.
So, when we buy a 28 years old guy=he will probably stay for 3-4 years here, true.
When we buy a 25 years old guy=he won't stay much longer. He will usually also stay 3-4-5 years.
When we buy a 22 years old guy=NOT A SINGLE PLAYER OUTSIDE OF A SPAIN ever stayed here longer than a few years. So, he will also probably stay here only for 3-4-5-6 years and then move to another club later in his career from this or that reason.
A few guys mentioned that all players from my post are oldies.
Ok, but I was posting only players who stayed here for a longer period.
We can post youngsters also from the last 30-ish years who came in teen years or in early 20s:
Cf Ronaldo R9 (Brasil), aged 20, stayed for 1 season
Cf Saviola (Argentina), aged 20, stayed for 6 seasons
Lw Simao (Portugal), aged 20, stayed for 2 seasons
C Fabio Rochemback (Brasil), aged 20, stayed for 4 seasons
Rw Quaresma (Portugal), aged 20, stayed for 1 season
Cf Maxi Lopez (Argentina), aged 21, stayed for 2 seasons
Cb Caceres (Uruguay), aged 21, stayed for 3 seasons
Cf Kluivert (Netherlands), aged 22, stayed for 6 seasons
Lw Zenden (Netherlands), aged 22, stayed for 3 seasons
Cdm Witschge (Netherlands), aged 22, stayed for 2 seasons
Lw Ronaldinho (Brasil), aged 23, stayed for 5 seasons
Cf Etoo (Cameroon), aged 23, stayed for 5 seasons
Rw Figo (Portugal), aged 23, stayed for 5 seasons
Cm Ciric (Serbia), aged 23, stayed for 3 seasons
Cb Christanval (France), aged 23, stayed for 2 seasons
Cb Chygrynskiy (Ukraine), aged 23, stayed for 1 season
Cf Giovanni Oliveirra (Brasil), aged 24, stayed for 3 seasons
Rb Reiziger (Netherlands), aged 24, stayed for 7 seasons
Cb Marquez (Mexico), aged 24, stayed for 7 seasons
Cm Riquelme (Argentina), aged 24, stayed for 3 seasons
Cdm Yaya (Ivory Coast), aged 24, stayed for 3 seasons
Total:
-- 21 foreign player in the last 25 years, aged 18-24:
1. stayed for 10+ seasons=0 players
2. stayed for 8-9 seasons=0 players
3. stayed for 7 seasons=Lb Reiziger and Cb Marquez
4. stayed for 6 seasons=Cf Kluivert and Cf Saviola
5. stayed for 5 seasons=Rw Figo, Lw Ronaldinho and Cf Etoo
6. stayed for 1-4 seasons=14 players out of 21
True, there is a first time for everything, but we can see too often posts on our forum like:
-- Neymar will stay here for a decade (highly unlikely according to statistics and history)
-- Mats will stay here for a decade and we will get a No1 keeper for 10+ years (highly unlikely)
-- Neymar and Mats will both stay for the next decade (insanely unlikely)
-- Samper will be our Cdm for the next decade
-- Denis can be the next Iniesta and we have found a solution for that position for the next decade etc
Majority of players stay and play in much shorter cycles.
JamDav1982
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Foreign players are brought in at older age then home grown players make debut so that alone makes it unlikely they will be there for as long.
That and the club opting to keep homegrown players if two if similar stanards.
It is more about that than players being unhappy with culture or 'not feeling Barca DNA'.
Could make a huge list home grown players that barely lasted a few seasons as well.
I doubt there is any real difference between average time spent at club between a B team promoted player and a foreigner.
That and the club opting to keep homegrown players if two if similar stanards.
It is more about that than players being unhappy with culture or 'not feeling Barca DNA'.
Could make a huge list home grown players that barely lasted a few seasons as well.
I doubt there is any real difference between average time spent at club between a B team promoted player and a foreigner.
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