1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

[mark1nhu]

Bravo definitely had "these kind of situations" and wasn't subject to such a scrutiny.

 

[evilhita666]

There's no need to hyperanalyze Mats right now, either. "These kind of situations" really aren't any kind of situations at all. "He could have made two steps forward sooner to cut the angle off" is a bullshit statement that would simply be "Bravo can't be blamed, his defense was MIA" when the Chilean was in net. It is my full belief that the only reason Mats gets this type of treatment no matter how well he plays is because people are still mad about us supposedly choosing him over Bravo, even if it's on a subconscious level. In every single game we play in chat, whenever a goal is conceded at least one person tries to pin the blame on Mats in some way. You think it'd be that way if Bravo wasn't still hailed by some as the "better keeper"? I don't.

I mostly of agree with you, ter Stegen is the least of our problems now (if a problem at all), so yeah, the micro analysis is getting out of hand... However, I do think that the german does have a tiny bit of the blame because of his shaky matches earlier in the season that created a sense of insecurity when he's is playing... Certainly the heat is unwarranted right now, but the shadow of his past mistakes is still very present to some, so in my opinion, that's what causes the unfounded criticism, not anything related to Bravo (except for Mandrake, hahaha)...

Either way, the season is coming to an end, and with Bravo away for a whole season (and doing poorly), things might hopefully cool off for ter Stegen next season, unless he pulls a Celta, then fire will rain down!

Bravo definitely had "these kind of situations" and wasn't subject to such a scrutiny.

Not being a dick or anything, but I really don't remember that much, maybe that one goal against Sevilla that he completely swallowed? Care to kindly refresh my memory? I'm just asking for historic purposes, I don't intend to use it as an argument or anything... You can do it via PM if you don't want to stir shit up here, hahaha...

 

[khaled_a_d]

It was before I joined the forum the first time I think so that may be possible, but from my memory he was lambasted for an awful mistake in pre-season, but then started off well when season started and people fell in love pretty quickly.

MATS was fan favorite,Bravo was basically public enemy from the moment he joined,pricey back up GK at the age of 31? then he became starter over MATS? the forum gone mad few month until he established he is the better GK specially with MATS performance against PSG

 

[DonAK]

MATS was fan favorite,Bravo was basically public enemy from the moment he joined,pricey back up GK at the age of 31? then he became starter over MATS? the forum gone mad few month until he established he is the better GK specially with MATS performance against PSG

Which was his debut or second game for Barca IIRC. In a CL game against more than a decent team.

Should have loaned him out like Chelsea did with Courtois to develop elsewhere before bringing him back instead of this stupid mantra of two top quality GKs whom no other team in the World has, or really need.

The logical thing to do which every other team does. They either stick with their young GK or loan him out so his crucial development years doesn't stall.

Feel like he's two years behind in development.

 

[raedkuwait]

It was before I joined the forum the first time I think so that may be possible, but from my memory he was lambasted for an awful mistake in pre-season, but then started off well when season started and people fell in love pretty quickly.



Not quite true, several people have, actually. Granted, they're almost all forum nobodies who only climb out from under their rocks to talk shit when Mats makes a mistake, but it's still happened nonetheless.



There's no need to hyperanalyze Mats right now, either. "These kind of situations" really aren't any kind of situations at all. "He could have made two steps forward sooner to cut the angle off" is a bullshit statement that would simply be "Bravo can't be blamed, his defense was MIA" when the Chilean was in net. It is my full belief that the only reason Mats gets this type of treatment no matter how well he plays is because people are still mad about us supposedly choosing him over Bravo, even if it's on a subconscious level. In every single game we play in chat, whenever a goal is conceded at least one person tries to pin the blame on Mats in some way. You think it'd be that way if Bravo wasn't still hailed by some as the "better keeper"? I don't.

I dont like mats, and i think he is not even in the top 10 goal keepers in the world with his tech and short comings, in the years to come you will see that his tech will but us in trouble, his reaction to slow and he has a strange tech for all the shots, calling any one who dont agree with u is a nobody is fucking rude, and says how your brain work, i have been a barca fan for ages and i mean ages, and i am 51 old, and my blood runs with barca, and i have my son who love barca to the bone that he even call him self me7sen messi, and both of us when barca play can see how insecure mats is, and i never feel confident with him in goal at all, i feel that every shot that is not aimed streight at him will be a goal and 85% of the time its true, he does this spread in hand and set in his ass tech almost in all short range shots, i am 100% if that shot the iniesta took against juventus, if it was mats in there he would go into spread his hand and set in his ass tech and would never save it.

 

[Potroh]

Couldn't care less about your life story mate.

Not a nice sentence... but it seems when you come to defending MATS you always get a bit aggressive and emotional.
BTW, MATS is a very good keeper, no doubt about that, but as we all could see, he has plenty of shortcomings.
Among the important ones, he is awful with coming out when it is not a 1-on-1 situation, bad at corners, bad in the air, and we all know his "frozen" postures which simply cannot be judged positively if he was a real world-class keeper.

But even more importantly, he is NOT the true reliable lasts resort behind the otherwise quite rhapsodic defense, sometimes he does great saves but often he lets in goals that much worse keepers do regularly save. I also doubt he would be as good as with his feet as it is told, just because he often makes horrible mistakes there, once again to lessen his reliability.

Nevertheless there is also another important factor, namely that the defense seemed to be more comfortable with Bravo between the posts. It's not a comparison between the two but an entire season could easily show that the players themselves trusted more the previous GK, as the last resort.

Finally, don't just say in his defense or quote in any form that MATS often makes great saves, because it is true, but it's only one side of the coin. Many mediocre GKs are capable of unbelievable saves, but only a few are able to produce a reliable and balanced performance in the long run.
Barca had quite a few chances against Juventus, at both games, but the deciding and fatal difference was the performance of the two keepers, as Buffon literally won both games for his team.

 

[KingMessi]

It's easier to argue that we lost both games because our finishing was miles off of Juve's in both games.

 

[raedkuwait]

Being consistant is the name of the game every goal keeper in the world and in all sports even bad players will have good games now and the, mats has brain farts and freezes in more games than he has good games, bravo was much better than him and even valdes was much better, he is totally unsecure in goal and i cant trust him at all, i guess u love him to the death or might even have crush on him but he is just not good at all for barca wait and u will c, did u c the link i provided for that malag game and how he sat in his ass in both shots!?

 

[Potroh]

It's easier to argue that we lost both games because our finishing was miles off of Juve's in both games.

Undoubtedly it was ONE of the reasons why Barca got kicked out. But NOT the only one.
Finishing also depends on the GK of the opponent and if the very similarly accomplished shots don't go in at their end but they always find the goal at your end, it becomes the most important factor, which definitely points to the goalkeeper.

 

[El Guaje]

Not a nice sentence... but it seems when you come to defending MATS you always get a bit aggressive and emotional.
BTW, MATS is a very good keeper, no doubt about that, but as we all could see, he has plenty of shortcomings.
Among the important ones, he is awful with coming out when it is not a 1-on-1 situation, bad at corners, bad in the air, and we all know his "frozen" postures which simply cannot be judged positively if he was a real world-class keeper.

But even more importantly, he is NOT the true reliable lasts resort behind the otherwise quite rhapsodic defense, sometimes he does great saves but often he lets in goals that much worse keepers do regularly save. I also doubt he would be as good as with his feet as it is told, just because he often makes horrible mistakes there, once again to lessen his reliability.

Nevertheless there is also another important factor, namely that the defense seemed to be more comfortable with Bravo between the posts. It's not a comparison between the two but an entire season could easily show that the players themselves trusted more the previous GK, as the last resort.

Finally, don't just say in his defense or quote in any form that MATS often makes great saves, because it is true, but it's only one side of the coin. Many mediocre GKs are capable of unbelievable saves, but only a few are able to produce a reliable and balanced performance in the long run.
Barca had quite a few chances against Juventus, at both games, but the deciding and fatal difference was the performance of the two keepers, as Buffon literally won both games for his team.

Yeah because Buffon is the difference when our players miss the goal completely when they had their best chances to score... While buffon was good, he was not the fatal difference at all. We had a total of 4 shots @target iirc lol. They were better in pretty much every perspective you look at. They played better overall, they fought more, they made more runs, their players were better tactically disciplined with all of them doing their jobs in defense and offense and most of all they have a great functional team while we rely on MSN. No midfield whatsoever, right wing was dead, players not doing their part in defending and pressing etc. Juventus were simply the better team.

Undoubtedly it was ONE of the reasons why Barca got kicked out. But NOT the only one.
Finishing also depends on the GK of the opponent and if the very similarly accomplished shots don't go in at their end but they always find the goal at your end, it becomes the most important factor, which definitely points to the goalkeeper.

So Messi has a great chance in front of goal and takes a shot that 9 times out of 10 would result in a goal but just because Buffon is standing in front of him he misses the goal completely? So if they had Hart in goal, Messi would atleast put the shot on target?

 

[Potroh]

Juventus were simply the better team.

Yes they were. But I was not talking about that.
At the first game Buffon saved Iniesta's shot that could have made many things different at 0:0. At the second game he did the same with Messi's and Mascherano's.
These crucial saves make a huge difference at that level, specially if chances are screwed up or penalties not given (like Chiellini's handball).

 

[El Flaco]

Some quotes from Ter Stegen's interview with Cat Radio


New coach? "I don't know who it will be, I don't know about the rest. For now, we're not thinking about next season."

"Whether it's someone from the club or from outside, I'm sure it will be a manager who will know how to handle the dressing room"

Contract renewal? "We're in talks. Everyone knows I love playing for Barça as the first choice keeper."

"That is why I stayed and it is the best thing that could have happened, I want to stay for many years."

Inconsistency in La Liga? "They're things which can happen but which shouldn't happen."

"We lost points at places like the Riazor... They're things that hirt, but now we have to focus on what's to come."

"If we win the last two games, we can win the league, which is our objective and which is what we must be focused on."

Could Buffon win the Ballon d'Or? "It would be great if a goalkeeper won it."

"Keepers who play for big teams usually only have one or two actions to make and they have to be at 100 percent."

"You sometimes only have one chance to help your team."

 

[xXKonan]

Stegen got married today.

 

[mark1nhu]

Suits with sneakers. Sell him right now, I simply hate this shit.

 

[El Flaco]

Ter Stegen's conceded goal vs. Las Palmas

Spoiler: From Pedro Bigas

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