1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Stop with the VV praise. He was the same clown than MATS is nowadays.

VV was just lucky to be part of the best defense in Barca history.

valdes was average but better than Ter stegen on the line. I think Valdes best season was in 13/14 when it was his last season, he made lots of terrific saves.

 

[Richard.H]

Valverde was average but better than Ter stegen on the line. I think Valdes best season was in 13/14 when it was his last season, he made lots of terrific saves.

Didn't know lord was also a GK

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Didn't know lord was also a GK

Thanks for the hint, will edit it

 

[Bobo32]

Let it go man, the most important is to be consistently good in the basic aspects of goalkeeping: commanding your defense, don't let easy goals in, be somewhat reliable at crosses (most keepers have difficulties with crosses, even great ones, but with Stegen it's almost a disease).

Then we can talk about important bonus points, and this is where your passing ability comes in. Vision? Come on... passing for a goalkeeper doesn't qualify as vision. 95% of the time the solution is the obvious pass, it's just a matter of being technically competent to make it.

With vision I mean both knowing where to put the ball and when but also when to get out of his line and collect through balls (even crosses can be included here). That's why i put both off/def.

I am not letting go of anything. Well if you want to be autistic and say that a keeper without arms wouldn't work, that shot stopping is indeed the most important, then yes. I am talking about priorities for a keeper for Barcelona. I saw some people here hope that Barcelona will pay money and swap Stegen for Donnarumma, I say that is ridiculous almost beyond belief.

 

[fergus90]

Bobo I quite often think you get a hard time over Puig and I quite often have agreed with your thoughts on him to some extent, but comments like the first priority for a keeper should be passing and vision are just beyond ridiculous.

To be honest he?s not even great at that. Loves a 45 degree pass lofted into danger. But if he?s going to get paid to be a goalkeeper, first things first - try making some saves from time to time.

For an apparent top class keeper his save percentage is pathetic.

 

[khaled_a_d]

The last page reminded me of the golden days when good portion of Barca fans were arguing that VV was better for the team than Buffon, because he can play with his feet.

Tgis things can be learned ffs, GK doesn't need to be elite passer, just decent ones in order to not crumble under pressure.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Stop with the VV praise. He was the same clown MATS is nowadays.

VV was just lucky to be part of the best defense in Barca history.

VV was inconsistent for sure.
MATS atm seems consistently bad/average

 

[Catta]

Bravo was a better GK than bot VV and MATS, shame that we had him only for 2 seasons. With him between the sticks, I always felt confident that we won't concede. I also had the feeling our defenders at that time were more calm, because they knew that Bravo had their backs if they made a mistake.

 

[Richard.H]

Bravo was a better GK than bot VV and MATS, shame that we had him only for 2 seasons. With him between the sticks, I always felt confident that we won't concede. I also had the feeling our defenders at that time were more calm, because they knew that Bravo had their backs if they made a mistake.

Even current Bravo at Betis had world class performances vs ATM and RM.

 

[xXKonan]

This season feels like Mats left his own fucking arms at home and is relying too much on his feet to save shit.

Like fuck it's maddening. Hard to believe but I have no confidence in him anymore, we concede a lot of shit first-shot goals every fucking time it seems.

 

[Bobo32]

Bobo I quite often think you get a hard time over Puig and I quite often have agreed with your thoughts on him to some extent, but comments like the first priority for a keeper should be passing and vision are just beyond ridiculous.

To be honest he?s not even great at that. Loves a 45 degree pass lofted into danger. But if he?s going to get paid to be a goalkeeper, first things first - try making some saves from time to time.

For an apparent top class keeper his save percentage is pathetic.

Maybe he is too bad with the saves now.
I didn't notice, but I've noticed a lot of the blame he got here were from unsaveable shots, ridiculous critique. But I understand it adds up, and my initial post was to say I am ready to change my opinion on him, I will look more closely. I am also starting to have opinions on his game with the ball at his feet...

If we have two attributes - one is ball playing ability + what I called vision (coming out to get the ball or not) and the other one is pure ball saving and these attributes are rated 0-100.
Then most professional keepers will be between 80-100 in ball saving, while the range would be between 5-100 at ball playing ability. You won't find someone who is at 5 saving, there isn't a big difference there. If Stegen was at 5 I'd obviously agree...

Ter Stegen is at least a 95 "play" and 90 "save", according to what I've seen.
Let's say you claim he's 90+80 instead? (worst ball saving keeper in the top leagues, and not even great on his feet). Then maybe there is someone better available. Then it's a case of economics and the inherent uncertainty of bringing a new player (even larger for a keeper)
I'd say Valdes was 90+80 in these attributes, but he was the best keeper available for Barcelona at that time. He was great at 1v1s though.

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I belive Cruyff said something about this as well, about a keeper touching the ball with his feet most of the time, so you should look for those able to use them well.

 

[soul24rage]

Even current Bravo at Betis had world class performances vs ATM and RM.

I would love to do a GK swap right now for Bravo.

Plus, it would make our accounting book look better

 

[Bobo32]

The last page reminded me of the golden days when good portion of Barca fans were arguing that VV was better for the team than Buffon, because he can play with his feet.

Tgis things can be learned ffs, GK doesn't need to be elite passer, just decent ones in order to not crumble under pressure.

Ok, back then I'd have some company then...
Valdes won three CL:s right?
Buffon improved his feet a lot, but I would never switch Valdes for Buffon for Barcelona.

 

[Bobo32]

Here is a video of his saves from the first three months of 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSTUnWk5C-M

He does make some saves.

 

[messi2140]

Quite obvious that you didnt watch that video yourself. There are "highlights" of Barca with the checkered kit and games against Juventus. And last time I checked we didnt play Juve in 2021. But go on keep preaching how Arthur is a more creative player than Xavi.

Edit: 5 minutes in half the "highlights" are shots outside the box aimed straight at him.