Messigician
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Lol he used a new dr
10 - Ansu Fati
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Lol he used a new dr
delancey
Senior Member
But the first surgery was performed by the old one, correct?
Messi983
Senior Member
Dr. Noronha has also operated on a number of players who have suffered from knee trouble, notably Pepe, Radamel Falcao, Hulk, Angel Di Maria and Arjen Robben.
He is a specialist in shortening a player's recovery period, and the doctor trusts that he can do the same with Ansu, though he's not willing to offer a full assessment until he has operated on the player in Porto on Thursday.
https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2021/05/05/6091bd7846163f94978b45bc.html
Don't seem like this so far but as said before could be just the club being cautious and holding him back until they're as close to 100% they can be he's fully ready and there won't be any relapse just a few days/weeks after he'll start to play again.
They also know what state we're in and there is no point endangering Ansu's career in 2-3 years (when we hopefully could have a very competitive team again) to rush him back to play in "meaningless" games with this team.
And then there is also Jorge Mendes who (in opposite to Raiola who is mostly motivated by money) I believe actually genuinely cares about well-being of his players. With Ronaldo approaching the end of his career he surely wants Ansu to take over as (one of) his biggest star(s) in a few years and doesn't want his career to "end" before it even started.
He is a specialist in shortening a player's recovery period, and the doctor trusts that he can do the same with Ansu, though he's not willing to offer a full assessment until he has operated on the player in Porto on Thursday.
https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2021/05/05/6091bd7846163f94978b45bc.html
Don't seem like this so far but as said before could be just the club being cautious and holding him back until they're as close to 100% they can be he's fully ready and there won't be any relapse just a few days/weeks after he'll start to play again.
They also know what state we're in and there is no point endangering Ansu's career in 2-3 years (when we hopefully could have a very competitive team again) to rush him back to play in "meaningless" games with this team.
And then there is also Jorge Mendes who (in opposite to Raiola who is mostly motivated by money) I believe actually genuinely cares about well-being of his players. With Ronaldo approaching the end of his career he surely wants Ansu to take over as (one of) his biggest star(s) in a few years and doesn't want his career to "end" before it even started.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
I don't want to be a pessimist again, but can you guys name some pacey attackers/wingers who had a serious knee injury/operation and returned to 100% of their former self?
Some players whom I remember to have serious knee injuries are:
Xavi in 2006, but he was a midfielder who didn't require pace.
Larsson in late 30's.
Edmilson aged almost 30.
Gabri, who was never the same after that.
Motta, who meh for us after that and sold.
From other famous players:
Ruud before he signed for Man utd. But he wasn't a pacey striker but more or a poacher.
Alan Shearer who had to change his playing style after the injury.
Totti when he was aged around 30.
Ibrahimovic in late 30s.
Owen was done after his knee injury and never returned to his former level.
Remember that careers of some big players were ruined and ended by injuries, like Ronaldo R9 and Van Basten.
Just check the videos of R9 at Barca in 1997 and R9 after 2000.
Those are two different players.
Btw, I have personally broke cruciate knee ligaments in my right knee when I was 21.
I only played amateur football with my friends.
But the point is, before the injury I was always among the fastest kids in my highschool.
While after the injury, operation and a length recovery without running and playing any sort of sports, I dropped to granny levels of pace.
Before the injury, I liked to play as a winger/attacker, dribbling and shooting whenever possible.
Yet after the injury I had to turn into some sort of a granny-coach CB/sweeper who would read the game, intercept the passes, pass the ball to someone else and just watch and give instructions to other guys who are creating, dribbling and scoring.
I know, I was an amatuer, operated by local cheap doctors and my physical form and muscles detoriorated a lot in those 2 years, but still: maybe you guys are exepcting too much from a kid who suffered very hard knee injury early in his career.
Some possible problems:
1. his physical shape in general will be meh for a long time
2. the most likely, he will never be as fast as before the injury
3. his knee will hurt a lot and he will have mental scares like: something clicked in my knee, did it break again? Or: I received a hard tackle in my knee, is it broken again?
4. or: he might be scared entering tricky duels where it is obvious that a defender will make a sliding tackle and try to hurt you. I am trying to say: before an injury, he would enter with 100% pace in that duel, while now, he might pull back from that duel or enter in it cautiously.
And those tiny details are the differences between beating your marker or being tackled.
5. there is also another mental factor when you figure out: wow, I am not as fast or as good as I was before the injury. How to deal with it and accept it? Especially paired with million of Barca fans expecting him to be the next big thing, the next no10 and similar.
Imagine that pressure paired with a possiblity that he starts to doubt himself and his abilities due to an obvious drop in form and abilities after the injury.
6. then there is a huge possibility of recurring knee injuries
7. and what happens quite often: when you sustain injury in one part of a body, you begin to run/train differently to strengthen that injured part of a body and then your balance of a whole body changes (paired with a long inactivity) and you often start to get random new injuries like ankle injuries, muscle injuries. And even though your knee is fine, you get sidelined for 1-2-3 Months over and over with new random injuries.
So maybe it will be better to lower your expectations of injured Fati, because, his ceiling is probably way lower now after the injury.
And even if he'll reach his ceiling, it will take years and it will be a rocky road till then filled with numerous new injuruies, bad form and mental problems and a lack of confidence.
So, when you guys are planning the team for the future and when you write Ansu as the first guy on the starting 11 list, maybe we should count on him as the 4th pick for now.
And just see where it will go from there.
Some players whom I remember to have serious knee injuries are:
Xavi in 2006, but he was a midfielder who didn't require pace.
Larsson in late 30's.
Edmilson aged almost 30.
Gabri, who was never the same after that.
Motta, who meh for us after that and sold.
From other famous players:
Ruud before he signed for Man utd. But he wasn't a pacey striker but more or a poacher.
Alan Shearer who had to change his playing style after the injury.
Totti when he was aged around 30.
Ibrahimovic in late 30s.
Owen was done after his knee injury and never returned to his former level.
Remember that careers of some big players were ruined and ended by injuries, like Ronaldo R9 and Van Basten.
Just check the videos of R9 at Barca in 1997 and R9 after 2000.
Those are two different players.
Btw, I have personally broke cruciate knee ligaments in my right knee when I was 21.
I only played amateur football with my friends.
But the point is, before the injury I was always among the fastest kids in my highschool.
While after the injury, operation and a length recovery without running and playing any sort of sports, I dropped to granny levels of pace.
Before the injury, I liked to play as a winger/attacker, dribbling and shooting whenever possible.
Yet after the injury I had to turn into some sort of a granny-coach CB/sweeper who would read the game, intercept the passes, pass the ball to someone else and just watch and give instructions to other guys who are creating, dribbling and scoring.
I know, I was an amatuer, operated by local cheap doctors and my physical form and muscles detoriorated a lot in those 2 years, but still: maybe you guys are exepcting too much from a kid who suffered very hard knee injury early in his career.
Some possible problems:
1. his physical shape in general will be meh for a long time
2. the most likely, he will never be as fast as before the injury
3. his knee will hurt a lot and he will have mental scares like: something clicked in my knee, did it break again? Or: I received a hard tackle in my knee, is it broken again?
4. or: he might be scared entering tricky duels where it is obvious that a defender will make a sliding tackle and try to hurt you. I am trying to say: before an injury, he would enter with 100% pace in that duel, while now, he might pull back from that duel or enter in it cautiously.
And those tiny details are the differences between beating your marker or being tackled.
5. there is also another mental factor when you figure out: wow, I am not as fast or as good as I was before the injury. How to deal with it and accept it? Especially paired with million of Barca fans expecting him to be the next big thing, the next no10 and similar.
Imagine that pressure paired with a possiblity that he starts to doubt himself and his abilities due to an obvious drop in form and abilities after the injury.
6. then there is a huge possibility of recurring knee injuries
7. and what happens quite often: when you sustain injury in one part of a body, you begin to run/train differently to strengthen that injured part of a body and then your balance of a whole body changes (paired with a long inactivity) and you often start to get random new injuries like ankle injuries, muscle injuries. And even though your knee is fine, you get sidelined for 1-2-3 Months over and over with new random injuries.
So maybe it will be better to lower your expectations of injured Fati, because, his ceiling is probably way lower now after the injury.
And even if he'll reach his ceiling, it will take years and it will be a rocky road till then filled with numerous new injuruies, bad form and mental problems and a lack of confidence.
So, when you guys are planning the team for the future and when you write Ansu as the first guy on the starting 11 list, maybe we should count on him as the 4th pick for now.
And just see where it will go from there.
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khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Well, good thing Fati was never a pacey winger and his main critic before injury is that he is slow
Now he'll be a turtle. Never saw him as winger anyway.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
He was never slow. Had pace just not seering pace that some other top players have.
Did Robben ever have a serious knee injury? he's the only player who seemed unaffected by the slew of injuries he sustained. Every time he just came back the exact same player, it defies logic lol
malvolio
Senior Member
Seems that the club is as naive as some of the barcaforum residents. Waiting for Ansu to turn the season around for us, placing the 10 weight on his shoulders already.
Looking more and more like a Depay-De Jong-Braithwaite attack for the season
Messigician
Senior Member
Yes
Bobo32
Senior Member
I don't know what it is about BBZ:s novels that make me want to reply to something... It's the hint of free thought maybe, coupled with so many false things 
But here I mostly want to say that there is a giant difference between what a lazy amateur who gets a rehab sheet in his hand does, and what a professional player with people working full time to help with the rehab does.
Of course it could still be very bad for Fati, the many operations hint at it, but the anecdote about BBZ:s own injury says very little here.
But here I mostly want to say that there is a giant difference between what a lazy amateur who gets a rehab sheet in his hand does, and what a professional player with people working full time to help with the rehab does.
Of course it could still be very bad for Fati, the many operations hint at it, but the anecdote about BBZ:s own injury says very little here.
Messigician
Senior Member
Huh?
A cruciate Ligament Rupture isn't as bad as a Mensical Laceration Depay was back in half a year. Fati twice as long and 4 surgeries later
Messigician
Senior Member
I don't know what it is about BBZ:s novels that make me want to reply to something... It's the hint of free thought maybe, coupled with so many false things
But here I mostly want to say that there is a giant difference between what a lazy amateur who gets a rehab sheet in his hand does, and what a professional player with people working full time to help with the rehab does.
Of course it could still be very bad for Fati, the many operations hint at it, but the anecdote about BBZ:s own injury says very little here.
He does it alot lol, I remember BBZ comparing himself to Messi lol when Messi's shot power seemed gone.
Best not to take it literally lol and just look it as a anecdote not comparison
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