10 - Lionel Messi - v1

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

you can hold that opinion, but back in Pele's day all they did was assault him to stop him. so I don't buy the whole, it was so much easier to score back in those days. yes of course defenders are more athletic these days, but is it really much easier to score when you are getting assaulted and referee classes it as fair play?

what other 18 year olds were scoring 66 goals in a single season in world football? has another 18 year old ever beaten that record?

another interesting fact, a 16/17 year old boy (not done growing physically) named Pele scored 41 goals in a single season (HIS FIRST SEASON IN PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL) for Santos in all official club competitions

I guess that is not impressive either when compared to what Messi is doing with what is widely acknowledged as the best team of all time.

 

[Aryagorn]

Okay we get it, Pele was awesome.

Cut it out now

 

[jiopi]

Era-adjusted goal statistics compared:

Müller 67@49 -> 48@49
Messi 55@46

 

[Der Kaiser]

where did you get these statistics from?

 

[jiopi]

where did you get these statistics from?

Did the calculation myself, source for the goals/games was wikipedia.

 

[La LL]

yeah, an 18 year old boy named Pele scoring 66 goals in a single season in Brazilian league at a time when Brazil league was the best in the world (Campeones Del Mundo multiple times and they all played in Brazil) is not that impressive at all. Let's just belittle that because every game ended 8-3

funny, I could have sworn at times this season Pep has played on 3 at the back and a 7 in midfield that camps in the oppostion half playing keep ball and probing for a goal.

besides we only won 5-3 a few days ago

 

[jiopi]

yeah, an 18 year old boy named Pele scoring 66 goals in a single season in Brazilian league at a time when Brazil league was the best in the world (Campeones Del Mundo multiple times and they all played in Brazil) is not that impressive at all.:

There wasn't even Brazilian league at the time. Pele played in state championship called Campeonato Paulista, one of 27 in Brazil. Same if Messi and Barcelona played Catalonian league + Valencia today.

 

[Aryagorn]

There wasn't even Brazilian league at the time. Pele played in state championship called Campeonato Paulista, one of 27 in Brazil. Same if Messi and Barcelona played Catalonian league + Valencia today.

 

[ledzep]

Did the calculation myself, source for the goals/games was wikipedia.

the most reliable resource online.

 

[jiopi]

the most reliable resource online.

You should understand, the margin of error is so little, that it doesn't really matter. The goal and game statistics are accurate enough. I would surprised if it would change more than 1% when verified. Furthermore wikipedia gives highly detailed statistics in these competitions, so I doubt that they would be made up.

 

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

There wasn't even Brazilian league at the time. Pele played in state championship called Campeonato Paulista, one of 27 in Brazil. Same if Messi and Barcelona played Catalonian league + Valencia today.

Yes that is how the Brazilian league was set up back then. but for you to compare it to catalonian league and valencia is quite pathetic belittling from yourself on biblical proportions, especially when that league produced 3 time FIFA World Champions where all those world Champions played in that league you are belittling just so you can belittle Pele.

I guess there are 16/17 year olds scoring 41 goals a season in all competitions in their first season in professional football, and then win the World Cup in that same season scoring 6 goals in the tournament.

 

[La LL]

Not that I want to stoke the coals (well actually...) but this is something that has been bugging me for quite some time: Didn't they play far less games back in Pele's days?

 

[jiopi]

Yes that is how the Brazilian league was set up back then. but for you to compare it to catalonian league and valencia is quite pathetic belittling from yourself on biblical proportions, especially when that league produced 3 time FIFA World Champions where all those world Champions played in that league you are belittling just so you can belittle Pele.

I guess there are 16/17 year olds scoring 41 goals a season in all competitions in their first season in professional football, and then win the World Cup in that same season scoring 6 goals in the tournament.

This should be good read for you: http://www.bagsynotin.net/2010/04/pele-the-myth-of-1000-goals/

 

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

Not that I want to stoke the coals (well actually...) but this is something that has been bugging me for quite some time: Didn't they play far less games back in Pele's days?

Pele

1957 Season 41 goals in 38 games Aged 17
1958 Season 66 Goals in 46 games Aged 18

 

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

This should be good read for you: http://www.bagsynotin.net/2010/04/pele-the-myth-of-1000-goals/

yes yes, I know that the 1000+ total includes club friendlies and those from Santos' world tour along with those for Brazil.

HOWEVER,

the 66 goals in 46 games for Santos as an 18 year old boy, DOES NOT INCLUDE FRIENDLIES!!! nor does the 41 goals in 38 games as a 17 year old boy.