10 - Lionel Messi - v3

[JamDav1982]

Read again, I said only because the clown is a proven failure. Never with coaches that have a resume to back them up. And Messi should just force the end of this board, the way he can do it, making the socios decide if its him or the clown(of course not by going out to the public and saying that, since you like to take everything so literal), after that he has no power to choose the board.
The books you are refering mean nothing when a club goes through a period like this. I'll give you one example only. Mou was a rotten apple in RM dressing room, Casillas and Ramos did what I hope Messi and others do now, look where it took them the season after that.
Sometimes measures have to be taken and in this case its not even a Mou we are trying to get rid of, it is a nobody, anybody with half a brain knows he should be out along with the board as soon as possible

You act like the two things are mutually exclusive. They are not.

Messi should behave the way a player should and not have the power to take on a manager. How bad that manager doesnt matter.

I bet you top managers wont want the job to come into Barca when players have that power.

Messi behaving properly is not about wanting Lucho to stay it is about the players knowing their place for now and the future.

 

[Ritchie]

Let's not forget as well hecouldn't manage Totti at Roma and he's a big legend there.

 

[DonAK]

Messi is unhappy with Luis Enrique because the latter pays his taxes[DonAKDaily]

 

[Vilarrubi]

He defo has the ability. He has given debuts to more Masia graduates than any coach since pep. Good tactics in the home game against psg, but, I do admit, generally, he has let himself down this season. Nonetheless, he is a good manager. What I meant was, is he good - yes. Capable of managing some top clubs - yes. Capable of managing barca just now to the standard in which we are used to? Taking into account his overall decisions, personality, attitude, No.

Is that meant to be a good thing? Our Masia is nothing like it used to be. Munir had a couple of good games and got overhyped, now playing poorly. Other than that nothing good has come out of playing Masia players.

 

[Flavia]

Messi is unhappy with Luis Enrique because the latter pays his taxes[DonAKDaily]

Hahaha. Good joke :beer2:

 

[ricknattery]

I bet you top managers wont want the job to come into Barca when players have that power.

Messi behaving properly is not about wanting Lucho to stay it is about the players knowing their place for now and the future.

Ancelotti had no problem with taking the RM job and succeding the year after with the players that did the thing you are shocked about and claim should never happen in a club, so your statement has no foundation. Usually only nobodies like the clown are afraid of a dressing room like that since they have nothing to back them up

Players that have years in a club do that all the time, and it usually ends with them ending better than the year before, you need to watch more football, not read the books with cliche phrases that sound good but dont always apply in reality

Once a coach loses the dressing room is over for him 100% of the times.

 

[Morten]

If the rumors are true, i understand Messis actions, but if its true he does indeed come across as a bit of a dictator like some have called him in the past. But there is true that some players have to much power, Casillas, Ramos and perhaps CR7 for us i would say. Messi and Xavi for you perhaps.

 

[kishore680]

@MichaelRobinson: “Not easy to recognize, but Leo Messi is a thousand times more relevant to Barça than his coach. Like it or not.”

This tweet sums up the current rift. Like it or not!

 

[JamDav1982]

@MichaelRobinson: “Not easy to recognize, but Leo Messi is a thousand times more relevant to Barça than his coach. Like it or not.”

This tweet sums up the current rift. Like it or not!

Of course Messi is more relevant than Enrique.

 

[Mitchell1978]

You act like the two things are mutually exclusive. They are not.

Messi should behave the way a player should and not have the power to take on a manager. How bad that manager doesnt matter.

I bet you top managers wont want the job to come into Barca when players have that power.

Messi behaving properly is not about wanting Lucho to stay it is about the players knowing their place for now and the future.

You treat the best player of your club (ever) differently if your smart at least. You don't think Michael Jordan back in the day or Lebron James right now had a say about whose going to be the coach etc

 

[serghei]

Messi is not the same guy he was a few years back. He has changed a bit and not in a good way. He never had a real coach post Pep, basically everyone of them was in awe of him. He needs a top coach who can motivate him and make him work harder. I don't think he has a problem with authority, he has a problem with incompetence. So do I and I back him on this. The best player in the world has the right to ask the coach why did he leave him on the bench in a decisive game like the Sociedad one. He was probably the best player of the game anyway in the limited time he got, so that pretty much proved Lucho messed up. The manager is not untouchable. If you need to punish people to get respect you have a major problem not only as a coach, but as a person also. Players must know who is in charge in a silent way. Any manager who feels the need to say it out loud in the locker room is clearly NOT in charge or is in charge by status and name only.

Lucho can only defend himself in a theoretical way, by saying that the player doesn't have the right to question the authority of the coach. Wrong, you have the right to defend yourself against any kind of autorithy, if that authority doesn't treat you right. This isn't the army, where soldiers must obey all orders, no matther how stupid. If Lucho tries to run Barcelona like some sort of B-level team, with sheep instead of world class players, he's gonna get so burnt that he won't even have a career after this anymore.

 

[ricknattery]

At what point in season was that though and what Real Madrid players made it a case of 'he leaves or I do'.

You will never get a pleyer saying those kind of stuff, they never do it in a press conference or something similar, dont be naive. When players with years in the club(due to their succes there) have problems with managers(after they fail to produce results) it always ends with the coach out and the team benefiting from it, or most of the times at least

 

[KingMessi]

Well said Serghei.

 

[Flavia]

Messi is not the same guy he was a few years back. He has changed a bit and not in a good way. He never had a real coach post Pep, basically everyone of them was in awe of him. He needs a top coach who can motivated him and make him work harder. I don't think he has a problem with authority, he has a problem with incompetence. So do I and I back him on this. The best player in the world has the right to ask the coach why did he leave him on the bench in a decisive game like the Sociedad one. He was probably the best player of the game anyway in the limited time he got, so that pretty much proved Lucho messed up. The manager is not untouchable. If you need to punish people to get respect you have a problem as a manager. Players must feel who is in charge. Anyone who feels the need to say it out loud in the locker room is clearly NOT in charge or is in charge by status and name only.

I think he respected Tito as much as Pep. We can't forget Lucho was the one to give Messi and Neymar extra holidays. And then procedeed to punish them for it, by benching them. He shouldn't even had given the extra 2 days, as there was the game at anoeta. After rm losing, and such opportunity to close the gap was lost, no wonder all hell broke loose.

 

[KingMessi]

Lol. Just imagining Lucho being like "You can have extra vacation days, trololololol"