10 - Lionel Messi - v3

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XaviMessiGirl

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I might be wrong about this but I thought their were offshore betting sites Americans could use? I think they operate under a legal 'grey' area.

Dunno, but the well known ones are blocked. I don't bet or gamble very much so I'm not that familiar with everything. But he tried to get on his account here that he had in the UK and the site was blocked.
 

FCBarca

Mike the Knife
It's a shame he never recovered the pace he had up until about 2010. All the injuries caught up I guess.

But despite that, I'm not sure I can forgive him for his lack of effort this season.

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footyfan

Calma, calma
@migerucb Putting Messi's "bad" season (and numbers) into context pic.twitter.com/bciBJ7Vvmv

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Slack? really? We are too spoiled to have Leo with us and breaking records for us every year. And one season he's down & you talk so harsh of him.

Without Messi's goals and assists, we would be in 5th place in La Liga. Your Barca would sure want to play Europa league next season then. He's absolutely fine and he's human.

Without Messi's goals and assists, Barca would have 20 points less and finish 5th in La Liga.

Without Alexis' goals and assists, Barca would have 17 points less and finish 5th in La Liga.

Big difference???? Even on an extremely flawed way of looking at things, not really.....

I'd be interested in seeing points and goal ratio per game with and without Messi. Too lazy to do it myself though. I don't expect the results to be significant because the sample sizes are different and the quality of the opposition is also different, but that particular stat would atleast make some sort of sense. As opposed to just taking Messi's goals and assists out.

I ended up doing this.

Points per game - 2.2 (with Messi) and 2.625 (without Messi)
Goals per game - 2.6 (with Messi) and 2.75 (without Messi)
 

Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
I ended up doing this.

Points per game - 2.2 (with Messi) and 2.625 (without Messi)
Goals per game - 2.6 (with Messi) and 2.75 (without Messi)

Why would you do this?!?!? Why?!?!?1 Now you're going to have fools coming here using this to say the team is better without Messi.

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BerkeleyBernie

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Meaningless fabricated statistic (with or without this/that player's goals), as another player would be playing in the missing player's position, and might just as well score goals. For instance, just because a player scores a hat-trick in a 3-1 game doesn't mean the score would have been 0-1 without them.
 

footyfan

Calma, calma
Meaningless fabricated statistic (with or without this/that player's goals), as another player would be playing in the missing player's position, and might just as well score goals. For instance, just because a player scores a hat-trick in a 3-1 game doesn't mean the score would have been 0-1 without them.

It's not meaningless if you post it on twitter with a nice background picture.
 

Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
The only way that stat makes more sense if your counting point winning goals, as in the team was losing and player scored the final goal to earn the team a point, or the team was tied and player scored final goal to earn the team 3 points. Then you'd have more a reason to single out the player as specially having won the team some points with his effort.

But even then, you'd have to look at each goal individually to discern if they were simple conversions, or if they were significant individual efforts that you can say not many other players would have been able to reproduce.

Then you'd also have to take into account other players contributions like what they did to get the player in question in position to make the point winning goals, etc etc.

In conclusion, that's a very broad stat that doesn't really allow you to reach conclusions on an individual level.

And the picture's not even nice, just look at Messi's face :facepalm:

Yeah, he's got a constipated face.
 
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