10 - Lionel Messi - v3

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Luftstalag14

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Ok so you think he's past his best, then just accept that and enjoy him for what he is now.

This thread has become really boring and repetitive. Only 3 more days until we see the magician play again :party1:

Kerry, I am fighting everyday trying NOT to accept it and hoping for a miracle.

But either way I enjoy him immensely and I count myself very lucky that he is a Barcelona player.
 
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Flavia

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Kerry, I am fighting everyday trying NOT to accept it and hoping for a miracle.

Not to be rude, but you need more hobbies, or something. That's not worth of wasting time on. Football is about joy, not angst. Just enjoy.
 

Kerrybai

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Kerry, I am fighting everyday trying NOT to accept it and hoping for a miracle.

But either way I enjoy him immensely and I count myself very lucky that he is a Barcelona player.

Come one man he's still Messi...and it's really not worth getting this hung up on him :lol: Even if he's a little less god like he's still an astonishing talent. You are over reacting mate :p
 
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Luftstalag14

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Not to be rude, but you need more hobbies, or something. That's not worth of wasting time on. Football is about joy, not angst. Just enjoy.

Barca and Messi are not worth wasting time on??

I do have other hobbies to keep me occupied, Flavia. What do think that got me through despite our trophy-less season?

Sgt. Hans Schultz always gives me joy and laughters whenever I am down.

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NotInHere

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This claim makes me wonder, why in the world do opposing teams only do this to Messi and nobody else, even Ronaldo?

Perhaps it is because they know what Messi is capable of doing once given space. But then again, why not to Ronaldo etc. who are equally, maybe just a tad less lethal than Messi?

Either way Messi not having much off the ball movement (it is certainly not about running for the sake if running or getting that distance covered number up) does not help, it will only make it easier for the opposing team to neutralize him and close him down.
nobody is guarded like messi, defenders close in on him until he is forced to drop deep, and when he drops deep, he isnt as lethal. Sure he could dribble and taken on 3 defenders, but the majority of the time its not gonna work.

Lol if they gave space to messi like they do with Ronaldo..... The only reason why they dont give Messi space is because if he gets space he will most likely go on his explosive runs and it would most likely be a goal chance. Give Messi a few inches, and he will go through you with ease. Players nowadays just atay on him all the time. Nobody is really guarded as much as he.
 
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Flavia

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Barca and Messi are not worth wasting time on??

No, if you do it by worrying as you said you do: "I am fighting everyday trying NOT to accept it and hoping for a miracle." That's not healthy, doesn't matter about what it is. Messi is happy, his life is great.

I love Barça, and Messi too, but at most I was sad for a day or two days after winning nothing, because there's always next season. Tito is the best example that are more important things in life.
 

NotInHere

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The only thing messi needs to do is constant movement and get closer to the ball where he can intercept a short pass and go in for the kill. Too many tomes Ive seen where he just stares at the ball and that makes it impossible because defenders will anticipate him much faster
 

Luftstalag14

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nobody is guarded like messi, defenders close in on him until he is forced to drop deep, and when he drops deep, he isnt as lethal. Sure he could dribble and taken on 3 defenders, but the majority of the time its not gonna work.

Lol if they gave space to messi like they do with Ronaldo..... The only reason why they dont give Messi space is because if he gets space he will most likely go on his explosive runs and it would most likely be a goal chance. Give Messi a few inches, and he will go through you with ease. Players nowadays just atay on him all the time. Nobody is really guarded as much as he.

Agreed, but the idea here is he has active off the ball movement so that he creats space for himself, so that he doesn't have to always dribble past a wall of bodies to get through.
 

BarcaGirl

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There’s only one battle Messi wants to win, and it’s not the one against his critics


I was just a kid when I first saw Lionel Messi play. Number 30 on the back of his shirt, fluffy hair. When he entered the pitch in his first-ever match with Barcelona, I remember thinking that he should wear a headband. There’s no way that hair doesn’t end up blocking his vision. Messi was just a kid, too. A seventeen-year-old kid with fluffy hair, a tucked shirt and a deadly left foot.

The kid from that day is now a grown man, worn out by the years of burden behind him. As a 26-year-old, he has won more than most players ever do, he has scored more than the vast majority of players ever will, and yet, he’s the most criticized player in the world.

I know you think I’m exaggerating. But when I look at Messi today, his frown, his focus, the inhumane responsibility he shoulders, I know I’m right.

The child-like spark and smirk haven’t always been on Messi’s face anymore. They’re somewhere beneath the weight of the expectations, the scars left by heavy defeats that have been put all down to him, beneath the enormous desire to, this time, bring his country the joy it has waited for the past 28 years.

Messi might have left Argentina at the age of 13, but he’s still very much Argentine. He knows how the Argentine people live football. He knows that in Argentina, there are no excuses. The only thing that matters is winning, and moreover, winning in an attractive way. He knows that playing in an attractive way alone, however, won’t get him anywhere. He knows that if Argentina crash out of the tournament, the collective frustration of the country will be aimed at him, and no one else. Him, the boy who left Argentina, the boy who grew up in Barcelona, the boy who, according to the narrative in Argentina, cares more about his club than his country.

He knows that the legend he is asked and required to build, the mythical God-figure that he is supposed to match, is beyond humanity. He knows that what they expect of him isn’t expected of anyone else in the World. Not Cristiano Ronaldo, not anyone.

But it doesn’t matter.

It didn’t matter in 2010, when Messi, the 22-year-old kid, youngster, failed to carry his country to World Cup glory. He was a failure then, an indifferent betrayer of his country. The fact that he was a 22-year-old boy in the eye of the storm, in the middle of a chaotic team, didn’t matter. Nothing mattered, except for the fact that they didn’t win. He didn’t win.

Messi is not a boy anymore. He is a father, a captain. More so now than ever before, he is expected to drag his team through the heat and animosity that La Albiceleste faces in Brazil.

When Messi scored the winning goal in Argentina’s first World Cup match against Bosnia-Herzegovina, it was against “just Bosnia”. The goal was beautiful, a moment of inexplicable desire coming into an exhibition of the immense talent the man possesses. He hadn’t played a great match, neither had Argentina as a whole, and everyone knew there was room for improvement.

When Messi scored his side’s winning goal against Iran, it was again, “just Iran”. Again, the goal was a beauty, in a moment when many had already given up on an Argentina win. Surely, Diego Maradona, who reportedly left the stadium just minutes before Messi’s goal, had. It was a shot from an impossible position, with ten defenders between him and the goal. And he gave his side the three points with that goal.

Again, Argentina played badly. They crafted very few great scoring chances, even fewer of them were well finished, and Messi, too, was a shadow of himself against a side that allowed him no space, and with a team that on the very occasion couldn’t create him space.

It is, in fact, an interesting mirror image of the kid in South Africa four years ago: The kid that orchestrated everything in his side’s attack, the kid that ran all over the pitch, who was easily among the ten best players in the tournament, but who didn’t score. And because he didn’t score, he was a failure, and even the 4-0 loss to Germany was put down to him.

In Brazil, Messi hasn’t run all over the pitch. He has created 7 scoring chances overall, completed 14 dribbles (more than anyone) but most of the time he has spent on the pitch, one could say that he hasn’t done anything special. He’s had his moments, his sprints, his glimpses of heavenly brilliance, but that’s that. But he’s scored. He’s scored two winning goals, and salvaged Argentina six points from two matches that some could say they didn’t deserve to win.

And as far as winning is concerned, Messi knows that he will never win in the eyes of the critics. In 2010, he did everything but score, and was called a failure. Now, he hasn’t done an awful lot beside scoring, besides winning his side two matches, and he’s still criticized because “he doesn’t run”. The question is, what do people want, after all? Maybe they don’t even know.

But one thing is for sure, Messi knows exactly what he wants. Messi wants to lift the World Cup towards the Brazilian sky, conquer the one piece of eternity that he still lacks, and that’s the only win that he wants. Winning in the eyes of his critics has become impossible anyway.

http://jenfcb.wordpress.com/2014/06...-win-and-its-not-the-one-against-his-critics/

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Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
No, if you do it by worrying as you said you do: "I am fighting everyday trying NOT to accept it and hoping for a miracle." That's not healthy, doesn't matter about what it is. Messi is happy, his life is great.

I love Barça, and Messi too, but at most I was sad for a day or two days after winning nothing, because there's always next season. Tito is the best example that are more important things in life.

Oh Flavia, that's just the figure of the speech.

I know I am a little obsessed with everything Barca and Messi, but I am by and large still a happy man. Life is much more than just football. I enjoy my family, history, WWII, and watching women. :lol:
 

NotInHere

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Agreed, but the idea here is he has active off the ball movement so that he creats space for himself, so that he doesn't have to always dribble past a wall of bodies to get through.
I agree with that idea you guys have, its totally valid. But people in here are seriously making him out to be some scrub now, he has not declined physically at all, like Ive said many times, theres been too many spurts after he came back from his injury of his old magic to suggest he has declined.
 

BibB

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Messi's problem is the same as Xavi's and Dani's and it's that they believe their own hype. Whether or not that hype is justified is irrelevent, what is though, is the fact they believe it. This creates ego and ego is detremental to effort. Lack of effort is very disrespectful to team mates and fans and shouldn't be tollerated.hopefully Lucho can rectify this but what's the solution? Sell Messi? Make him run into open spaces more? I don't think these are really viable solutions. I say giving Messi a new challenge in the form of becoming a playmaker midfielder is the solution. It would make him usefull when he drops so deep. Basically, in and around the box Messi would be typical Messi. When he drops deeper he would actually play a midfield role. In terms of defending, passing, movement and tempo. It would help Messi's game and ours, win-win.
 
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