10 - Lionel Messi - v3
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He has nobody to pass to or make triangles in the midfield. Yes it would help if he had a better workrate but thats not the basic problem its the lack of a midfield thats our biggest problem
Sumlit
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Messi might be deeper than before but he is still not playing a pure 10 role, neither by play nor by formation. When the team moves into a defensive shape, Messi is still occupying the CF spot. Neymar and Suarez are still defending on the wings. When the team attacks, Messi is still position-less and playing the free role.
The main problem of the team still remains the total broken midfield and focus on wing play. Isolated CDM left on an island.
Messi at this point is the sole creative force on the team. Suarez 2 assists today still came on moves started by Messi from the midfield.
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linetty
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Shitty tactics made him miss 3 sitters?!
JamDav1982
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Messi is often deeper then Suarez and Neymar and drops into midfield. He is the link between the attack and midfield.
When the team has sustained possession he is often deeper than the two strikers and the two full backs.
He needs to defend more or team will continue to be exposed to the break.
Kohe321
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They weren't sitters.
Remove Messi from this game, and we'd look twice as bad than we did. It really annoys me that Messi has to take so much BS for Luchos inadequate system. Always the scapegoat when things go bad. Ridiculous.
JamDav1982
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Who is making him the scapegoat?
He is the best and most important player in the team, he will get discussed more as he is the player that success is dependent on more than any other.
Sumlit
San Claudio Bravo
Well IMO you're focusing on a skin rash when you lost one leg and your other one is getting amputated, just IMO. There are far bigger problems.
JamDav1982
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It is one of many problems but what formation do you suggest they play to get best out of Messi and the team?
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RCB-CB-LCB
RWB/RM-RCB-LCB-LM/LWB
RF-LF
ST
RWB/RM = Pedro/Rafinha and LWB/LB = AlbaRCB-CB-LCB
RWB/RM-RCB-LCB-LM/LWB
RF-LF
ST
Sumlit
San Claudio Bravo
Same formation really, just change the tactics. Fullbacks cannot be the offensive focus anymore, have them defend and stay back. They need to attack the offensive space, not occupy it. Then get that midfield more central and have it play together. Midfield is far too broken right now.
Barca don't need to have as dominant a midfield as it once did. They have a far better front 3 than they've ever had, they just need something of a working and cohesive unit behind it, not the disjointed thing it is now.
Then again, they still have personnel problems no tactic can change. Fullbacks are weak. CBs are weak. Midfield might very well be lacking in quality as well. It's a troublesome situation.
His confidence is at an all time low. It's reassuring he's getting himself in goal scoring positions though. He's been unlucky, he won't keep on missing forever. With Suarez's inclusion he's been getting more chances and once he starts burying them he won't stop.
I just hope Lucho doesn't play him as a RW, like he did in the 2nd half. Suarez should play centrally, but so should Messi. We can move to a 4-2-3-1 or play a 4-3-3 with Suarez centrally and Alves taking care of the entire right flank. He needs a blocker in front of him that will pin the CB's so all he has to worry about are the DM's. Ideally he would be playing the same role he did in the 2011 UCL final/4-0 against Milan. However, we had Alves taking care of the entire flank, back then. But Alves has regressed so its much more difficult.
I just hope Lucho doesn't play him as a RW, like he did in the 2nd half. Suarez should play centrally, but so should Messi. We can move to a 4-2-3-1 or play a 4-3-3 with Suarez centrally and Alves taking care of the entire right flank. He needs a blocker in front of him that will pin the CB's so all he has to worry about are the DM's. Ideally he would be playing the same role he did in the 2011 UCL final/4-0 against Milan. However, we had Alves taking care of the entire flank, back then. But Alves has regressed so its much more difficult.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Is that a joke?
No top team play 3-5-2 for a reason and playing a winger like Pedro at RWB or a left footed Rafinha is insane!
Kasperroed
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Most of the time we get counter-attacked with 2 CB's and Busi at the back. I think that fornation could work really well.
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