10 - Lionel Messi - v4

[God Serena]

[MENTION=20420]God Serena[/MENTION] haha that is the wrongest mathematic argument ever mate, we don't get -3 and them +3 if we lose, it's just +3 for them and +0 for us, thus IT IS ONLY 3 POINTS

+1 [MENTION=20218]Origami[/MENTION], madrid is a top5 team in LaLiga, we're expected to drop some points here and there against these teams so it's not a dramatic outcome at all, especially without Messi, as long as we don't lose stupid points against the rest of the teams.

As I said, it's all just emotions talking because it's madrid, Messi would never be pressured in the slightest to come back against Villareal for example, and it's the exact same 3 points, against as good a team as madrid, the clasico just affects us differently mentally with all the hype and all, it even makes us forget how to count points apparently

The table currently sees both Madrid and Barca sitting at 87 points. A win for either side sees them go up only 3 points, yes, but in a league where most of the time teams like us are expected to get our three points every week, preventing the other team from getting their three points is just as crucial. Madrid sitting at 90 points while we remain at 87 would not just be Barca missing out on three points, it'd be Madrid gaining three as well. That's never a good thing.

Yes, it is the same as us winning a round against team X while Madrid loses to team Y or vice-versa, but those instances could be seen as six points gained as well.

 

[Interlop]

And which game would that be? Villarreal this weekend.

Shit, forgot about the international break.

 

[Jaguar]

Losing to Madrid is never acceptable. They still continue their dub theory of being better than us last season because of the play in the classico's.
In the end its about trophies, but how you play and perform in big games count as well and losing to Madrid should never be acceptable, if we lose 3-0/4-1 its a huge dent in our season even if we win la liga.
A draw is the least acceptable result.

I know I was simply explaining how a direct loss is still a 3 point gap between both teams.

 

[serghei]

Technically, a loss to RM is worse than a normal loss, because H2H is important. And there's another thing. Losing to another team, say Sociedad away, doesn't automatically imply Real gets 3pts there, whereas losing the clasico means Madrid will certainly win.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Madrid sitting at 90 points while we remain at 87 would not just be Barca missing out on three points, it'd be Madrid gaining three as well.

Which would result in Madrid gaining 3 points over Barcelona, not six.
"two matches into one" would be a more apt analogy than "a six point game"

 

[Vlom]

The table currently sees both Madrid and Barca sitting at 87 points. A win for either side sees them go up only 3 points, yes, but in a league where most of the time teams like us are expected to get our three points every week, preventing the other team from getting their three points is just as crucial. Madrid sitting at 90 points while we remain at 87 would not just be Barca missing out on three points, it'd be Madrid gaining three as well. That's never a good thing.

Yes, it is the same as us winning a round against team X while Madrid loses to team Y or vice-versa, but those instances could be seen as six points gained as well.

At 90 points it's a slighty different story, still 3 points only but it's already the end of the season thus harder to come back from, but after the clasico in Bernabeu there will still be 78 points to play for, so a loss there doesn't matter any more than any other loss.

Also keep in mind that if we manage to win at Camp Nou against Villareal and Madrid drop points in Pizjuan we might actually go into the Clasico with a lead.

 

[Kuchi]

When we had no trophies, any trophy would have been great. We won the treble, now we want another treble seasoned with Bernabeu wins and MSN in Ballon d'or finals.

"You cant always get what you want" Mick Jagger

Sevillia screwing with madrid, would be awesome, but i doubt it

 

[FC B]

I'd be more than happy with "only" the CL trophy this year

 

[Vlom]

When we had no trophies, any trophy would have been great. We won the treble, now we want another treble seasoned with Bernabeu wins and MSN in Ballon d'or finals.

"You cant always get what you want" Mick Jagger

Sevillia screwing with madrid, would be awesome, but i doubt it

Of course we're going for the trebble

Seriously though, Sevilla has a decent chance of taking points from RM, same with Villareal if we're not carefull, so I'm hopefull we'll be lone leaders at the Clasico

 

[xXKonan]

Being reported by @partidodelas12 that is is looking increasinly optimistic for Lionel Messi and he might make El Clásico.

I hope he isn't rushed.

 

[xXKonan]

Messi is running without big problems since a few days. Not yet ruled out for clascio, player won't take risks but is optimistic. [cope]

 

[footyfan]

[MENTION=20420]God Serena[/MENTION] haha that is the wrongest mathematic argument ever mate, we don't get -3 and them +3 if we lose, it's just +3 for them and +0 for us, thus IT IS ONLY 3 POINTS

+1 [MENTION=20218]Origami[/MENTION], madrid is a top5 team in LaLiga, we're expected to drop some points here and there against these teams so it's not a dramatic outcome at all, especially without Messi, as long as we don't lose stupid points against the rest of the teams.

As I said, it's all just emotions talking because it's madrid, Messi would never be pressured in the slightest to come back against Villareal for example, and it's the exact same 3 points, against as good a team as madrid, the clasico just affects us differently mentally with all the hype and all, it even makes us forget how to count points apparently

Technically, it's only worth 3 points because a win will only give you 3 points. But in terms of the title race, it's worth 6 points. The caveat is that you have to accept a looser definition of the word 'points'. On any given matchday, there is a maximum of 6 points available to Barca and Madrid combined. For the title race, the net points you gain is not just dependent on your performance but also on your main rival's performance. On most matchdays, your actual game is only worth 3 points, because your result does not affect the result of your main rival's. But in a Clasico, your result directly affects the result of your main rival's. Which is why it's worth 6 points. Because it combines the results of two games into one.

Think of it this way. Normally, all the games are worth 3 points on the table. But even if you get those 3 points, you don't actually change your position with respect to your rival because they also won. Your points total is +0 with respect to your rival. But in a Clasico, if you win, you actually change your position with respect to your rival. Your points total goes up by +3 with respect to them. Which means that, in effect, the game is worth 6 points.

 

[Jaguar]

Messi is running without big problems since a few days. Not yet ruled out for clascio, player won't take risks but is optimistic. [cope]

If he's really running with no real problems surely there's a good chance he'll be available to at least be on the bench for the game. Assuming he started running a few days ago 3 weeks is a reasonable timeframe in which he can play. I'm optimistic too, I believe he will be back, we'll see though.

 

[LordLichtenstein]

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God I miss him.

 

[Flavia]

God I miss him.



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