10 - Lionel Messi - v4

[RMU ReBorn]

Without Messi , Pep hasnt won a treble with a world class team in Germany. So the argument of Barca under pep will still dominate without Messi is cringworthy. Yes we would have won more titles than Madrid with Ronaldo because of our philosophy and academy. Club football is different from international football. To win a treble a team needs to do everything right for 50 games unlike a world cup were you have to be at the best for 8-9 matchs. So spanish Dominance cannot be sighted as a reason to belittle Messi's impact in Barcelona's greatest team of all time. Even after the spanish Dominance ended in 2012 Messi lead us to treble in 2015. Xavi was playing very less minutes in that season . Driving force was Leo and his creativity. Messi can adapt to any system , reason being he has covered all the spaces as an attacker in his career , being center forward , False nine and a winger who floats around midfield as well as the pure winger who likes to cut in . he excelled in Pep's tiki taka system as well as Lucho's system were there is a balance between possession football and counter attack. If Modric can be Madrids driving force why not Messi . He would lead them to titles more than what Penaldo managed with Madrid ,may not be as much as he won in Barca. Barca was a well oiled engine , with better management , philosophy as well as team chemistry.

 

[Vlom]

It's also disgusting that even Barça fan are belittling Messi getting Argentina to 3 finals in a row.. that's the same as spanish dominance with 4-5 great players, Messi did it by himself, all it would have taken for this conversation to be totally different is higuain not being shit.

 

[Bran the Greenseer]

Without Messi , Pep hasnt won a treble with a world class team in Germany. So the argument of Barca under pep will still dominate without Messi is cringworthy. Yes we would have won more titles than Madrid with Ronaldo because of our philosophy and academy. Club football is different from international football. To win a treble a team needs to do everything right for 50 games unlike a world cup were you have to be at the best for 8-9 matchs. So spanish Dominance cannot be sighted as a reason to belittle Messi's impact in Barcelona's greatest team of all time. Even after the spanish Dominance ended in 2012 Messi lead us to treble in 2015. Xavi was playing very less minutes in that season . Driving force was Leo and his creativity. Messi can adapt to any system , reason being he has covered all the spaces as an attacker in his career , being center forward , False nine and a winger who floats around midfield as well as the pure winger who likes to cut in . he excelled in Pep's tiki taka system as well as Lucho's system were there is a balance between possession football and counter attack. If Modric can be Madrids driving force why not Messi . He would lead them to titles more than what Penaldo managed with Madrid ,may not be as much as he won in Barca. Barca was a well oiled engine , with better management , philosophy as well as team chemistry.

Pep's Bayern is not in the same league as 08-12 Barca when it comes to quality of players. Arguably the best midfield of all time, one of the greatest modern defense systems (Im not gonna compare it to older defenses) and aside from Messi we had Eto'o , Henry, Ibra (All time great strikers) AND Villa. If you say we can't compare it to Spain then you DEFINITELY can't compare it to Pep's Bayern.

Edit: [MENTION=19697]Vlom[/MENTION] I personally don't bring it up because it's painful to remember.

 

[doublehh03]

Pep's Bayern is not in the same league as 08-12 Barca when it comes to quality of players. Arguably the best midfield of all time, one of the greatest modern defense systems (Im not gonna compare it to older defenses) and aside from Messi we had Eto'o , Henry, Ibra (All time great strikers) AND Villa. If you say we can't compare it to Spain then you DEFINITELY can't compare it to Pep's Bayern.

Edit: [MENTION=19697]Vlom[/MENTION] I personally don't bring it up because it's painful to remember.

Bayern WON the treble before Pep took over. Pep couldn't take Bayern to the UCL championship even.

 

[RMU ReBorn]

Pep's Bayern is not in the same league as 08-12 Barca when it comes to quality of players. Arguably the best midfield of all time, one of the greatest modern defense systems (Im not gonna compare it to older defenses) and aside from Messi we had Eto'o , Henry, Ibra (All time great strikers) AND Villa. If you say we can't compare it to Spain then you DEFINITELY can't compare it to Pep's Bayern.

Edit: [MENTION=19697]Vlom[/MENTION] I personally don't bring it up because it's painful to remember.

They won Ucl under their previous manager and were looking unbeatable in that season . They were finalists in previous year as well . Pep was outclassed by spanish teams ,thrice in
a row.

 

[SahanBarca]

Luis Enrique plans for Umtiti and Messi to be back for Deportivo Umtiti may start while the plan for Messi is to play 30mins. [sport]

 

[RMU ReBorn]

Lord visited Messi's home last day.

 

[Total-Football]

It's also disgusting that even Barça fan are belittling Messi getting Argentina to 3 finals in a row.. that's the same as spanish dominance with 4-5 great players, Messi did it by himself, all it would have taken for this conversation to be totally different is higuain not being shit.

i think the non barca fans are the ones belittling that .. it's understandable , if you're not a barca fan then Messi must have fucked up a night or two of your life demolishing your favorite team lol

 

[Caramel]

Without Messi , Pep hasnt won a treble with a world class team in Germany. So the argument of Barca under pep will still dominate without Messi is cringworthy. Yes we would have won more titles than Madrid with Ronaldo because of our philosophy and academy. Club football is different from international football. To win a treble a team needs to do everything right for 50 games unlike a world cup were you have to be at the best for 8-9 matchs. So spanish Dominance cannot be sighted as a reason to belittle Messi's impact in Barcelona's greatest team of all time. Even after the spanish Dominance ended in 2012 Messi lead us to treble in 2015. Xavi was playing very less minutes in that season . Driving force was Leo and his creativity. Messi can adapt to any system , reason being he has covered all the spaces as an attacker in his career , being center forward , False nine and a winger who floats around midfield as well as the pure winger who likes to cut in . he excelled in Pep's tiki taka system as well as Lucho's system were there is a balance between possession football and counter attack. If Modric can be Madrids driving force why not Messi . He would lead them to titles more than what Penaldo managed with Madrid ,may not be as much as he won in Barca. Barca was a well oiled engine , with better management , philosophy as well as team chemistry.

Great post. People really are delusional.

 

[Devils]

Anyone know significance behind the shirt in the glass?

It looks like Messi #10 shirt but I can't make out what year.

 

[KiX7777]

It's #30 shirt, I guess the one from his debut or from match when he scored his first goal.

Edit: new boots

 

[bismp]

Lord visited Messi's home last day.

It's interesting that Leo holds the Golden Boots in as a high regard as the Ballon D'Or

 

[Luftstalag14]

Anyone know significance behind the shirt in the glass?

It looks like Messi #10 shirt but I can't make out what year.

It is from the 05/06 season. Not sure about the significance, he soon changed to No.19 at the beginning of the season.

 

[Devils]

Interesting...

So it's not even his debut 04/05 Messi #30 shirt then. I would really like to know why he chose that specific shirt.

 

[Neymessi]

Without Messi , Pep hasnt won a treble with a world class team in Germany. So the argument of Barca under pep will still dominate without Messi is cringworthy. Yes we would have won more titles than Madrid with Ronaldo because of our philosophy and academy. Club football is different from international football. To win a treble a team needs to do everything right for 50 games unlike a world cup were you have to be at the best for 8-9 matchs. So spanish Dominance cannot be sighted as a reason to belittle Messi's impact in Barcelona's greatest team of all time. Even after the spanish Dominance ended in 2012 Messi lead us to treble in 2015. Xavi was playing very less minutes in that season . Driving force was Leo and his creativity. Messi can adapt to any system , reason being he has covered all the spaces as an attacker in his career , being center forward , False nine and a winger who floats around midfield as well as the pure winger who likes to cut in . he excelled in Pep's tiki taka system as well as Lucho's system were there is a balance between possession football and counter attack. If Modric can be Madrids driving force why not Messi . He would lead them to titles more than what Penaldo managed with Madrid ,may not be as much as he won in Barca. Barca was a well oiled engine , with better management , philosophy as well as team chemistry.

There are so many factors that come in play to success and what would have happenned if he had been at RM or anywhere will always pe speculation and nothing certain.

There used to be a time when people used to disparage messi's achievement by citing xavi and iniesta as his teammates and also times when people belittle barca because of messi.

Going by your logic messi failed with argentina 4 times with a really strong team on paper. 3 of which happened against chile which isn't anything special. So does that make him not a big factor of our success?

What would happen if something had not hapenned is just ifs and buts...