10 - Lionel Messi - v5

[Messi10]

He won't retire from Argentina. Chance to win the Copa America next Summer. Got 4 years to rebuild a decent team for the next World Cup.

 

[soul24rage]

I don't see him retiring from the NT right now, but after the Copa America, I'm not sure what he'll do.

 

[Kul_z]

He needs to rest, spend time with family, reunite with fat bastard somewhere on vacation to charge his batteries, and rock all the frustrations in the next season. 2010 wc- 2011 cl win, 2014 wc - 2015 cl win.
Cant wait to see him surrounded with quality players again.

 

[booge]

Brazilian Ronaldo had Rivaldo and Ronaldinho in wings , Messi had Palacio , Lavezzi and Higuain . Talking about finals , which club final performance of R9 can be compared to Messi's performance vs United in 2011 ? . It's all about System . Everyone knows how subdued Messi is in his body language . That's his nature . Messi wasn't even completely fit for last world cup and didn't had anything left after playing 115 minutes against SWZ and 120 minutes vs Dutch .

My friend i will have to teach you a thing.

Brazil were shit against Germany in the 2002 final. And against Turkey they were shit and out played but watch how Ronaldo bailed them out in the semi-final. Ronaldinho did not even play in the semi.

JUst watch how Ronaldo performed when he was 5 kilos over weight and only played 14 games of football in 2 years.

You will see exactly what I mean. The way Ronaldo played is how Messi played against NIgeria.

His mood was the same. He was like buzzing from minute one.


I think your absolute fan boyism kind of blinds you from constructive criticism as you quickly jumped on the "oh look what players he had around him"



Just try and understand things sometime and read properly. If you can't even notice the difference of Messi's mood in the Nigeria game and some of the others then i'm more of a fan than you are lol.

 

[RMU ReBorn]

My friend i will have to teach you a thing.

Brazil were shit against Germany in the 2002 final. And against Turkey they were shit and out played but watch how Ronaldo bailed them out in the semi-final. Ronaldinho did not even play in the semi.

JUst watch how Ronaldo performed when he was 5 kilos over weight and only played 14 games of football in 2 years.

You will see exactly what I mean. The way Ronaldo played is how Messi played against NIgeria.

His mood was the same. He was like buzzing from minute one.


I think your absolute fan boyism kind of blinds you from constructive criticism as you quickly jumped on the "oh look what players he had around him"



Just try and understand things sometime and read properly. If you can't even notice the difference of Messi's mood in the Nigeria game and some of the others then i'm more of a fan than you are lol.

Ronaldo was absolute shit vs England . Rivaldo and Dinho saved the day . God knows what would have happened had Ballack played final . Not to mention Kahn's brainfade. It was from a Rivaldo shot that Kahn fumbled that ball . If Messi stays like that waiting for Argentina midfield to create anything he would wait till there without any supply . Rivaldo was without a doubt their best player in that world cup . Why did you ignored the part were i mentioned Messi's performance vs United ? . Lets mention few of Ronaldo's Cl final performance ?? .. Why he flopped in Cl's ? what happened to his body language there ?

 

[booge]

Ronaldo was absolute shit vs England . Rivaldo and Dinho saved the day . God knows what would have happened had Ballack played final . Not to mention Kahn's brainfade. It was from a Rivaldo shot that Kahn fumbled that ball . If Messi stays like that waiting for Argentina midfield to create anything he would wait till there without any supply . Rivaldo was without a doubt their best player in that world cup . Why did you ignored the part were i mentioned Messi's performance vs United ? . Lets mention few of Ronaldo's Cl final performance ?? .. Why he flopped in Cl's ? what happened to his body language there ?

I did not ignore that performance against United. I watched it live and it was 10/10 stuff.

When you read my first post I said I was a little dissapointed that he had a final against a strong Germany albeit and did not show up. That's all really.


I know that hurts but like I said also everyone fails once big time. You just mentioned Ronaldo CL performances. He actually only played in the CL before his injuries for two seasons with INter.

He was in the Uefa cup before then with psv, inter and barcelona he was in the cup winners cup,

He won the Uefa Cup and the cup winners cup.

But why are we being dragged into a who won what scenario again.

Are we not talking about the mood?

I beleive if Maradona played in that 2014 final as a 27 yr old he would have been like a raging bull on or off the ball.

Now I see you mentioned Messi was tired after two 120 minute games. That's not good enough excuse.

Now be honest with yourself. If that Messi turned up in the 2014 final like the one against Nigeria, do you think things would have been different?

Anyway bro what done is done. We can talk all day but won't change a thing. tc.

 

[RMU ReBorn]

I did not ignore that performance against United. I watched it live and it was 10/10 stuff.

When you read my first post I said I was a little dissapointed that he had a final against a strong Germany albeit and did not show up. That's all really.


I know that hurts but like I said also everyone fails once big time. You just mentioned Ronaldo CL performances. He actually only played in the CL before his injuries for two seasons with INter.

He was in the Uefa cup before then with psv, inter and barcelona he was in the cup winners cup,

He won the Uefa Cup and the cup winners cup.

But why are we being dragged into a who won what scenario again.

Are we not talking about the mood?

I beleive if Maradona played in that 2014 final as a 27 yr old he would have been like a raging bull on or off the ball.

Now I see you mentioned Messi was tired after two 120 minute games. That's not good enough excuse.

Now be honest with yourself. If that Messi turned up in the 2014 final like the one against Nigeria, do you think things would have been different?

Anyway bro what done is done. We can talk all day but won't change a thing. tc.

Argentina won't win that final with the kinda of players they had even if the raging bull that you mentioned was playing . Bastian was a beast that day . Germany deserved to be world champions . If you are saying that Messi not being fit enough for the world cup shouldn't be excuse then why on earth are you mentioning Ronaldo's injury as a excuse ? Double standards isn't it ? . Ronaldo was brought for a heavy sum by Madrid . Why didn't his superior body language pushed Madrid to Cl glory like he did with Brazil in 2002 ?

 

[vlad]

Argentina won't win that final with the kinda of players they had even if the raging bull that you mentioned was playing . Bastian was a beast that day . Germany deserved to be world champions . If you are saying that Messi not being fit enough for the world cup shouldn't be excuse then why on earth are you mentioning Ronaldo's injury as a excuse ? Double standards isn't it ? . Ronaldo was brought for a heavy sum by Madrid . Why didn't his superior body language pushed Madrid to Cl glory like he did with Brazil in 2002 ?

They were even with germany, they played like a team, in the final they needed that extra effort to take WC trophy home, everyone was looking at messi and he didnt delivered, simple as that. On that WC, messi didnt take them to final alone, mascherano was on beast mode whole tournament, other players also performed well

 

[blaugrana1987]

They were even with germany, they played like a team, in the final they needed that extra effort to take WC trophy home, everyone was looking at messi and he didnt delivered, simple as that. On that WC, messi didnt take them to final alone, mascherano was on beast mode whole tournament, other players also performed well

Vlad you are fucking idiot. Messi got them out of group stages and literally sent them to easier side of bracket.

He played very good match against Swiss and made fantastic assist in dying minutes of ET. He played very good and active game against Belgium too, only against Netherlands he didnt look good IMO.

 

[booge]

Argentina won't win that final with the kinda of players they had even if the raging bull that you mentioned was playing . Bastian was a beast that day . Germany deserved to be world champions . If you are saying that Messi not being fit enough for the world cup shouldn't be excuse then why on earth are you mentioning Ronaldo's injury as a excuse ? Double standards isn't it ? . Ronaldo was brought for a heavy sum by Madrid . Why didn't his superior body language pushed Madrid to Cl glory like he did with Brazil in 2002 ?

I am with you mate. I just think that Messi against Nigeria was the best Messi I saw at a World Cup. I just got that feeling he was playing the same way I saw him play for Barcelona. Even the goal looked like a early day Messi goal and the dribbling on the left side was showing that same swagger. lol it was awesome.

Against Bosnia and Iran he scored great goals but the performance with Nigeria I thought was the first time at a World Cup he really showed what Messi is.

I think those disaster ful first two games hurt his pride and he had incredible desire. That desire came from the first two game embarrassments.

Sometimes no matter how good or bad you are, a persons mood/workrate can be sensed while your watching and I think Messi just let him self down abit in that 2014 final.

Otherwise I would not have questioned it.

IN fact I bet if you even asked Messi he would probably say he could have done things differently.

There's no harm in constructive criticism. I actually think he can maybe learn from these losses and pressures to come back stronger.

 

[RMU ReBorn]

I am with you mate. I just think that Messi against Nigeria was the best Messi I saw at a World Cup. I just got that feeling he was playing the same way I saw him play for Barcelona. Even the goal looked like a early day Messi goal and the dribbling on the left side was showing that same swagger. lol it was awesome.

Against Bosnia and Iran he scored great goals but the performance with Nigeria I thought was the first time at a World Cup he really showed what Messi is.

I think those disaster ful first two games hurt his pride and he had incredible desire. That desire came from the first two game embarrassments.

Sometimes no matter how good or bad you are, a persons mood/workrate can be sensed while your watching and I think Messi just let him self down abit in that 2014 final.

Otherwise I would not have questioned it.

IN fact I bet if you even asked Messi he would probably say he could have done things differently.

There's no harm in constructive criticism. I actually think he can maybe learn from these losses and pressures to come back stronger.

Messi gives more to Argentina than for Barca . In Barca he walks walks and walks . It's for Argentina that he puts in extra shift . I have seen it so many times

 

[RMU ReBorn]

They were even with germany, they played like a team, in the final they needed that extra effort to take WC trophy home, everyone was looking at messi and he didnt delivered, simple as that. On that WC, messi didnt take them to final alone, mascherano was on beast mode whole tournament, other players also performed well

Maradona didn't took Argentina to final alone as well . Valdano and Burichiaga played well like Mascherano . You can apply the same logic to every title win across any team sport

 

[vlad]

Vlad you are fucking idiot. Messi got them out of group stages and literally sent them to easier side of bracket.

He played very good match against Swiss and made fantastic assist in dying minutes of ET. He played very good and active game against Belgium too, only against Netherlands he didnt look good IMO.

I didnt say he wasnt good in brasil, but he underperformed in most important match in his career, WC final

 

[vlad]

Maradona didn't took Argentina to final alone as well . Valdano and Burichiaga played well like Mascherano . You can apply the same logic to every title win across any team sport

Of course, but maradona was true captain and leader in that arg squad, something what this argentina lacks and sadly messi doesnt have that

 

[blaugrana1987]

Of course, but maradona was true captain and leader in that arg squad, something what this argentina lacks and sadly messi doesnt have that

Agreed, Maradona was amazing leader, but entire tactics and physical preparation meant single player had it much easier then today (considering talent). In the end , his team helped him big time in 1986 and basically carried him in 1990 (he only assisted 1 goal I think while missing penalty against Yugoslavia).

Pele is totally different thing. Guy won 3 but each time his team was team to beat in tournament. He even missed entire 1962 WC after injury in 2nd match, yet his team won final by 3-1.

In 1970 he was basically in best Brazil team ever and was pretty much "honorary player".