RMU ReBorn
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Rojo , Ottamendi , Mecardo , Tagliafico . just one word to describe those 4 - Reckless . Garay would have done much better than any of them
10 - Lionel Messi - v5
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MagIX
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True.
But this does not detract from the fact that the performance of Maradona in wc 86, that one, it was probably the best performance ever in a wc.
Mitchell1978
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Might be true but what else has Maradona done that so special? 4 or 5 really good years with Napoli winning 2 league titles and 1 uefa cup and another decent world cup in 1990 where Argentina got to the final
Imo it pales to what Messi but also other players have done in their careers.
ronniecro
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i don't care about ronaldo,why mention him? although since you did mentioned him,ronaldo is loved and respected in his country while messi actually isn't,right now he's getting tons of hatred because he didn't took argentina to WC title all by himself,and it's only going to be even worse since argentina won't win anything in near future.
i think leo is smart enought to end it here,he lost 3 finals and now is being called out as the most responsible one for WC debacle,it would be miracle if he decides to continue
henias
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You simply can't have a good attack with a shambolic midfield and defence, no matter how good of a striker or forward you are, especially against a solid team like France. Just doesnt work that way.
RMU ReBorn
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Maradona is one of the best ever . I rate him ahead of Pele and definitely agree to the claims that his performance in 1986 was the best ever in world cup history but that's just not enough to put him above Lionel who had a decade long successful career producing world class performance week in and out against technically superior defenders in europe and La liga .
And it's not just down to Barcelona's golden generation . Iniesta can barely play for more than 50 minutes these days , Rakitic isn't the creative outlet that you are looking for in a midfield were Busquets is getting old . Messi and Ter stegan should be credited for 70% of our league title this year . Since 2014 Real had the better midfield and yet we do posess bigger chance than any other team in europe to defeat them . Messi factor is putting us on the pedestal with Madrid in classico's . such impact shouldn't be discredited just because Messi hasn't won a international trophy . To win a international trophy you need a tactically sound manager and a organized defense .It has been proven time and again . Argentina had that in 2014 and they went as far as they could only to bow out to one of the best national sides of last few decades .
Messi's performance in qualifiers last year is enough to stamp his legacy in Argentina's history . He dragged them out of woods against two of the toughest south American opponents (Colombia and Uruguay ) , scored a hatrick after going one nil down in a must win match at a venue where they haven't won since 2001 . Messi scored 7goals in qualifiers and no other Argentine player managed to score more than two in the entire campaign . Their second best goal scorer was Mecardo , pratto and Di maria with two goals . What else can a player do apart from these performance in a shit system with absolutely clueless managers ,reckless defense and forwards who don't even have the audacity or skills to complete a through pass or effective cross in to the box . Not to mention their Dm is 38 year old Mascherano who can barely run and beat players with explosive pace .
Fact that he provided two goal scoring opportunities when Kante was running around him like a relentless tank , shows what he is capable of . Messi would have done much better in a team with no big names and a effective manager like say a croatia or uruguay
And it's not just down to Barcelona's golden generation . Iniesta can barely play for more than 50 minutes these days , Rakitic isn't the creative outlet that you are looking for in a midfield were Busquets is getting old . Messi and Ter stegan should be credited for 70% of our league title this year . Since 2014 Real had the better midfield and yet we do posess bigger chance than any other team in europe to defeat them . Messi factor is putting us on the pedestal with Madrid in classico's . such impact shouldn't be discredited just because Messi hasn't won a international trophy . To win a international trophy you need a tactically sound manager and a organized defense .It has been proven time and again . Argentina had that in 2014 and they went as far as they could only to bow out to one of the best national sides of last few decades .
Messi's performance in qualifiers last year is enough to stamp his legacy in Argentina's history . He dragged them out of woods against two of the toughest south American opponents (Colombia and Uruguay ) , scored a hatrick after going one nil down in a must win match at a venue where they haven't won since 2001 . Messi scored 7goals in qualifiers and no other Argentine player managed to score more than two in the entire campaign . Their second best goal scorer was Mecardo , pratto and Di maria with two goals . What else can a player do apart from these performance in a shit system with absolutely clueless managers ,reckless defense and forwards who don't even have the audacity or skills to complete a through pass or effective cross in to the box . Not to mention their Dm is 38 year old Mascherano who can barely run and beat players with explosive pace .
Fact that he provided two goal scoring opportunities when Kante was running around him like a relentless tank , shows what he is capable of . Messi would have done much better in a team with no big names and a effective manager like say a croatia or uruguay
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Raketa10
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Beeing a world class sportsman means you’ll never stop compeeting. So no he won’t retire from NT while he can still win trophies with them. It wouldn’t be a smart move at all to quit now for the second time in 2 years. Period.
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Everyone has bad moments. The thing that gets me upset with Messi is that he wasn't up for it against Germany in the 2014 final.
He just didn't look like the way he was feeling against Nigeria in the 1st half. That crazy running, erratic up for it type of thing. Seizing the moment type of thing.
It was one of those subdued type moods. Okay his team mates missed chances but I am talking about the mood of the player. You can kinda sense when Messi is up for it.
On occasions the first 5 -10 minutes show it, He's running around crazy.
Anyway how, he had like 120 minutes to show his class against Germany in 2014 like the Brazlian Ronaldo used to show in every single final he played in bar one.
Messi failed in my opinion in that moment. Brazils Ronaldo seem to relish finals.
Thats the only major blip I would say he will have on his career as stated before everyone screws up.
Still will go down as the best ever or top 2 or 3. No way could you ever put him out of a top three. Just to good for that.
RMU ReBorn
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Brazilian Ronaldo had Rivaldo and Ronaldinho in wings , Messi had Palacio , Lavezzi and Higuain
. Talking about finals , which club final performance of R9 can be compared to Messi's performance vs United in 2011 ? . It's all about System . Everyone knows how subdued Messi is in his body language . That's his nature . Messi wasn't even completely fit for last world cup and didn't had anything left after playing 115 minutes against SWZ and 120 minutes vs Dutch .
George_Costanza
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His only chance to win the Copa is for some of his pals to retire like Higuain, Di Maria, and Aguero. Core players should be new blood like Dybala, Lo Celso, Icardi, and Pavon. Messi will provide the experince needed so to let the young players gradually integrate into the team.
jamrock
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The great man is lacking something with the Argentina team, he can see the end in the beginning, so he was just running, but not sprinting, from day 1.
The space between Argentina's lines was as wide as the Pacific ocean, they had zero chance against any somewhat organized team.
The space between Argentina's lines was as wide as the Pacific ocean, they had zero chance against any somewhat organized team.
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