10 - Lionel Messi - v5

dakt

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Ronaldo has not had a season even close to average in years though. Neither has Messi but games or run of games both go under microscope.

Ronaldo was quite average for the big part of the last season even though he had better squad around than Messi. What saved him was literally a last run.
Seasons before he wasn't the main man for their success. Ramos, Modric and Marcelo were more significant, but it's always enough for Ronaldo to score just about any goal, no matter how insignificant to describe him as best in the world, because after all, every goal Ronaldo scores is a "Ronaldo goal".
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Ronaldo was quite average for the big part of the last season even though he had better squad around than Messi. What saved him was literally a last run.
Seasons before he wasn't the main man for their success. Ramos, Modric and Marcelo were more significant, but it's always enough for Ronaldo to score just about any goal, no matter how insignificant to describe him as best in the world, because after all, every goal Ronaldo scores is a "Ronaldo goal".

He was quieter than usual in first half but still had hat trick away to Atletico etc.

In latter few months of season he was unbelievable and had a great season overall.

He wasnt average last season. Over the piece he was he best in the world for how he impacted games.

None of those players have been more significant, that is crap that gets repeated on here. Ronaldo is by far their best and most effective player.
 
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TS88

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Don't forget that Messi was leading him 4-1 in BDs and now CR7 is going to tie him 5-5. It tells you that Messi has dropped a few levels below his absolute best and Ronaldo has improved his game since 2013. Since that 2013 injury away to PSG, Messi just hasn't been the same player that he used to be. He lost a bit of that acceleration and explosiveness that made him near unstoppable. Best Messi was from 2007-2013. 2015 was good but still not on the level that he was on during those years.
 

Mitchell1978

Senior Member
Don't forget that Messi was leading him 4-1 in BDs and now CR7 is going to tie him 5-5. It tells you that Messi has dropped a few levels below his absolute best and Ronaldo has improved his game since 2013. Since that 2013 injury away to PSG, Messi just hasn't been the same player that he used to be. He lost a bit of that acceleration and explosiveness that made him near unstoppable. Best Messi was from 2007-2013. 2015 was good but still not on the level that he was on during those years.


There's only one reason for this and that is teamsucces. Barça declined since the last treble while Real peaked last season.
Ronaldo was having his worst season with Madrid last season untill the last 2 months while Messi was consistently great throughout the season even though the team was struggling at times, sometimes dysfunctional.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
There's only one reason for this and that is teamsucces. Barça declined since the last treble while Real peaked last season.
Ronaldo was having his worst season with Madrid last season untill the last 2 months while Messi was consistently great throughout the season even though the team was struggling at times, sometimes dysfunctional.

Ronaldo still had some big performances before the last two months. Destroyed Atletico away with hat trick for example.

Messi wasnt consistently great either. He was poor in the CL knockout bar one game he was good but nothing great away to Juve.
 

Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
Ronaldo didnt score v Betis and was getting mocked.

Just about any poor game Ronaldo or Messi has gets focused on.

Ronaldo has not had a season even close to average in years though. Neither has Messi but games or run of games both go under microscope.

:lol: Just the very previous season, did you know that his only meaningful contribution to Real until the meaningless Club World Cup started was scoring a goal to get draw against Dortmund in the CL group stage and a hat trick against Atletico? He was the definition of being bang-on average till November in 2016. And then again he was plain average till March in 2017!

Incredible how we overreact when he has a bad game, but people don't doubt Ronaldo even if he has practically a whole season on an average level.
We are addicted too much on his consistency and stellar performance.
In fairness to the critics out there, he actually was called out last year. So much so that people even started declaring the end of his illustrious career last year! Which is when the supporting cast of Real actually played a huge role in keeping them in the league. And then he did play a major role in the tail end of the CL! Does raising your level only for like a quarter of a season warrant you a Ballon d'Or? Of course not! But you would have some Barcelona fans in here who keep over-rating every other club out there & their players and keep downgrading Barcelona & their players (whom they apparently support) say otherwise!
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
:lol: Just the very previous season, did you know that his only meaningful contribution to Real until the meaningless Club World Cup started was scoring a goal to get draw against Dortmund in the CL group stage and a hat trick against Atletico? He was the definition of being bang-on average till November in 2016. And then again he was plain average till March in 2017!


In fairness to the critics out there, he actually was called out last year. So much so that people even started declaring the end of his illustrious career last year! Which is when the supporting cast of Real actually played a huge role in keeping them in the league. And then he did play a major role in the tail end of the CL! Does raising your level only for like a quarter of a season warrant you a Ballon d'Or? Of course not! But you would have some Barcelona fans in here who keep over-rating every other club out there & their players and keep downgrading Barcelona & their players (whom they apparently support) say otherwise!

He wasnt average the previous season. Just more rubbish.

Will get balon dor on back of way finished last season.
 
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Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
He wasnt average the previous season. Just more rubbish.

Will get balon dor on back of way finished last season.

:lol: Ballon d'Or being a barometer used to measuring the best player! What a farce!!
That ship has sailed long back and your beloved CR7 was the one who actually proved it like a theorem!
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
:lol: Ballon d'Or being a barometer used to measuring the best player! What a farce!!
That ship has sailed long back and your beloved CR7 was the one who actually proved it like a theorem!

What on earth are you on about.

Yes Ronaldo deserves Balon dor if you think Messi deserves it after end to last season then it just shows how absolutely biased you are.

Dont love Ronaldo or particularly like him but can appreciate how good he has been as opposed to folk like you who stick fingers in ears and try desperately to ignore it.

Your only argument is 'you love him' says it all.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
You can't honestly claim Ronaldo is a better footballer this year?

Yes he has been and he will win it by a big margin would guess.

He was unbelievable in the CL and run in to La Liga.

Still prefer Messi but Ronaldo was better at end of last season which will have the most impact.
 

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