10 - Lionel Messi - v5

[Cruyff-Total Football]

On the other hand, imagine CR7 in a team with Xavi-Iniesta-Busi behind him.
It works both ways.

If you really want to compare, the real question is this. What would Messi do with CR s Real few years ago if you just switched both and what would CR do with Barca over the last few years.
Do you think it would still work both ways? I don t.

Yet, CR7 won a CL with Man Utd and Euros with Portugal without RM's midfield.

Yes CR won CL with that awesome MU team. Kudos. If we mention national teams, as you well know, CR didn t play in the finals, so his credit (realisticaly) goes up to the final, which Messi got 3 or 4.

They both won 4 CL.
Messi won 8 (9) demestic titles vs. Ronaldo s 5. 5 national cups vs. Ronaldo s 3.
He is 2(3) years younger.

Both Messi and Cr7 will shine with awesome midfield behind them.

Again, the question is who would achive more without awesome midfield behind him. Do you see CR as a main and only player wining primera? If real by any chance doesn t win CL this year (close one yesterday), they are without trophies. Barca with this current slow and unimaginative midfield, Suarez in the worst shape in the last 10 years and Messi "missing something" is well on a way to a double.


So let s talk again after the season is over and compare again. If Real doesn t win CL, will you state, that CR was "missing something"?

"Euros with Portugal".
Let's pretend that it's the not the worst campaign by any Euro winner in the history of football.

Let's pretend Ronaldo played the same way for Portugal as he did for RM.

Let's pretend Manchester United didn't reach CL final after he left.

Let's pretend this Barca team will win CL if you replace Messi with Ronaldo.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

the fact that you forget how good of a team united had in 08 and that portugal won the final despite CR7's injury invalidates this entire post.

Dude... Have is it possible to argue with someone to come up with statements such as "Messi performed until 2011 and we won CL. Ronaldo performs for the last 5 years and they won the CL".

I seriously wish Messi had injured at the start of the season, so that these people can eat their statistics and ridiculous comparisons when Barca struggle to make into top 4.

 

[Judoman]

Let's pretend Manchester United didn't reach CL final after he left.

Didn t even remember that.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

Let me be precise. RM is the CL favourite without Ronaldo. There's simply no team as good as them in the world. While Barca without Messi isn't favourites even when they had Xavi and Iniesta in prime. Now imagine a team with Paulinho and Gomes.

 

[Ousmane Dembélé]

Let me be precise. RM is the CL favourite without Ronaldo.

What a pathetic statement. Can't take anything you say seriously after this.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

What a pathetic statement. Can't take anything you say seriously after this.

Good. I bet you haven't watched the supercup. But as a matter of fact, you don't even need to watch the supercup to acknowledge how incredible RM is. I'm sure, you can mention it bluntly as pathetic statement but cannot show me a single team in the world that is as good as RM in every aspect.

 

[Judoman]

What a pathetic statement. Can't take anything you say seriously after this.

Why? Who has a better team, than Madrid? Bayern/City come close and that s it.

 

[Ousmane Dembélé]

Ronaldo is the only consistent goal scoring threat Madrid have.

I know we're supposed to hate Madrid and Ronaldo, but seriously, take the blinders off once in a while.

Madrid wouldn't come close to sniffing the CL without him.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

Ronaldo is the only consistent goal scoring threat Madrid have.

I know we're supposed to hate Madrid and Ronaldo, but seriously, take the blinders off once in a while.

Madrid wouldn't come close to sniffing the CL without him.

Not at all. Bale, Isco and even Benzema can make the difference. Watch Asensio performance against us in both legs in super cup. Ronaldo is a luxury for them. Not a fundament.

 

[Ousmane Dembélé]

Not at all. Bale, Isco and even Benzema can make the difference. Watch Asensio performance against us in both legs in super cup. Ronaldo is a luxury for them. Not a fundament.

Benzema? Nice joke.

Bale? Can hardly stay on the pitch more than a month at a time.

Isco? Not a regular goal scorer.

Asensio? Good player but not as a great as some people bill him to be. Goes missing for long stretches and then scorers a screamer or two and bags a few assists.

Ronaldo a luxury player for Madrid? Have a good day and open your eyes.

 

[henias]

Ronaldo is the only consistent goal scoring threat Madrid have.

I know we're supposed to hate Madrid and Ronaldo, but seriously, take the blinders off once in a while.

Madrid wouldn't come close to sniffing the CL without him.

Sure Ronaldo is the only goalscoring threat but he cant score without the other attackers like Benzema and Isco. They create alot of space for him, draws defenders and out of nowhere Ronaldo just comes out from open space and scores. If Ronaldo is alone in attack then he wont score, because defenders can easily bombard him.

It depends on perspective. A team wouldnt be a team without the other 10 others no matter how good u are. The same can be said that Madrid wouldn't win the CL without Kroos or Modric, or a manager like Zidane. Everything comes hand-in-hand.

U are still right in a sense, that Madrid wouldnt be Madrid without Ronaldo. He is still one of the best goal poacher they ever had in a while now, his pace, athletism and goal threat is tremendous but his team still needs to be given a lot of credit. They are all on the same level.

And to all the doubters here, Messi is tend to be heavily man-marked yet Barcelona's attack consists only Messi and Suarez, Suarez being too slow to carry the attack and usually just passes to Messi with no other options.

I think I made a statement few months back, saying we will never win the CL without Dembele. And it is excatly what happened. Messi no matter how good he is, cannot use his creativity without attacking options upfront.

 

[eaman]

BBZ8800 you can't give champions league ten points and la liga only 3. La liga proves who is on form throughout the year not just a couple of months near the end. Sometimes you don't get as many tough games in the champions league as la liga e.g real Madrids run in 2016. Sometimes it's about form at a particular time of year in the champions league. Remember Barca can't stop beating atletico in the league and beating them to titles but lose two champions league ties to them. I think one or even the two were after the front 3 had tough south American world cup qualifiers. Champions league is a knockout competition and the best don't always win those. And if you're giving 20 points for the world cup then Messi deserves 15 for getting to the final

 

[JamDav1982]

Both rely on team mates to get the best out of them like every player ever has.

Messi has had the best midfield ever and part of best attacking trio ever throughout most his time at Barca and Ronaldo has had some great player as well.

Messi and those team mates have consistently been the better side domestically and in head to heads with likes of Atletico and Real but then dissapear in CL. The Barca team this year and previous 6 have been more than good enough to win the CL.

Cant really claim Messi had no chance to influence this Roma tie when he had 12 attempts on target and never looked like improving or lifting the team in anyway when struggling in second leg.

I bet Ronaldo scores that Messi chance at end of game on Tuesday. I bet Messi scores in in La Liga but for whatever reason he and the team have been nowhere near good enough at this stage more often than not.

Valverde was horrific in his approach to the game but there comes a point where Messi and the other players take some responsibility in games like that and none of them did.

If Real get eliminated or are poor in La Liga Ronaldo will get the most focus if he is as shit as the rest of them. It is just the way it is. The best players get the most credit and most scrutiny.

 

[Hardy]

good luck to win CL with scoreless Benzema and Bale

 

[JamDav1982]

Not at all. Bale, Isco and even Benzema can make the difference. Watch Asensio performance against us in both legs in super cup. Ronaldo is a luxury for them. Not a fundament.

You are so fucking bitter.

Ronaldo is by far their best player and reason they are so deadly on the break and tough to defend so deep against.

If Real are so brilliant as a team and Barca so shit why are Barcelona and Messi getting the better of them domestically and in head to heads?

The issue is not about one team in Real being so superior in every position it is about Barcelona absolutely fucking up the CL and playing like meek wimps too often.