He certainly dived / played for that first goal , Gary Lineker said as much last night and he knew how to win a free kick as well . Sad thing is he conned his team mate Nacho just as he did Rooney all those years ago ...he's no conscience pure ego driven .
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He certainly dived / played for that first goal , Gary Lineker said as much last night and he knew how to win a free kick as well . Sad thing is he conned his team mate Nacho just as he did Rooney all those years ago ...he's no conscience pure ego driven .
serghei
Senior Member
It was the defense and Sabella's tactics that got them there mostly. Messi didn't have insane performances in the last games. It's hard for Messi to be remembered that much after you beat your rivals 1-0 at most, or qualify after a boring 0-0 on pens in the semis.
Messi played great in the groups and very well vs Switzerland but that's about it. Good World Cup, not amazing though.
raskolnikov
Well-known member
Ronaldo is a very clutch player (something he wasnt in the past). We can talk about him diving or being lucky but in the end he delivers. People only care about results.
Messi isnt competing with him h2h though. He just needs to do well and help Argentina win today.
Messi isnt competing with him h2h though. He just needs to do well and help Argentina win today.
serghei
Senior Member
He is clutch, but not all the time. He doesn't show up in every big game. He has off games and Portugal will go out when that happens against any serious team.
GOAT_SUAREZ
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He is has much better players than Ronaldo at Portugal who banged a hat trick against a top 5 team. Can't be an excuse.
Mitchell1978
Senior Member
exactly, something i've noticed too, a lot of people still think Suarez is a top 3 center-forward in the world
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MessiCam
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Why does he need to score? He can have an excellent game without scoring... Messi’s scores his fair share of hatricks against top opposition too. Acting like Ronaldo did something extraordinary... He had a wonderful game. So what? What does that have to do with Messi?
I don’t care much for this stupid debate but the standards Messi is being held to are crazy. I keep hearing about him not performing in the Champions League since the last win... But who was better than him in those games against Atleti, Juventus and Roma?
El Flaco
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Suárez has scored 31 goals in 51 games for Barcelona this season so it's a bit understandable from their side.
They mostly follow Barcelona on YT-highlights unless if it's El Claisco or any high-profile game.
Strikers will be judged on goals and Suárez will be seen for having a great season, despite his overall play declinced in recent years.
vlad
New member
Nobody was better then him, but he is best player ever and obviously there will be high standards for him, he also is paid for that, yes, he was underperforming in CL, he dorsnt run enough, opposition doesnt have much problem to cover him because of his lack of movement, its absurd considering what is he capable of when he is motivated, he is mentally weak and that is his main problem, thats why we are still having debate cr7 vs messi, it shouldnt be like that, but its mostly messi's fault, football is team sport i know, but messi is gifted with something special and he cant let to be depended on higuain will he score or not, he has to do it himself, 2 finals vs chile and 1 wc final vs germany, and we can read comments like "if higuain scored, or palacio" thats just poor excuse for messi and his problem with lack of trophy with national team
Edit: that argentina under sabella was doing great, they didnt play beautiful but they were strong at the back and had great counters, in final they were even with germany, they needed that extra effort to take trophy, and all eyes were on messi, and that was normal, that was his most important match in career, but he didnt delivered, he wasnt even trying enough, so we cant put all the blame on higuain and because of that missed chance, higuain is not WC player, good, but he is hot and cold, messi needed to try harder to take that long waited trophy home, but he didnt, because he wasnt trying enough
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MessiCam
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Messi has never ran. Even in his best Champions League performance which was the 2011 final. Go and watch it again and come and make that boring comment again...
Weak mentality, not motivated... Same old stuff over and over.
Ronaldo, once, was an exceptional footballer, his Man Utd days and under Mourinho, until he gave up his football for numbers (in order to win Ballon D’Ors as a matter of fact) and the football world gobbled it up. You people have been served piss and vinegar and been convinced that it’s champagne. To put this into perspective... Zola last night compared Ronaldo’s performance to Maradona vs England in 1986 World Cup... What the actual fuck?
That this debate is still ongoing after all that shows that the games nuances have been forgone for numbers and running 10 km per game.
I can’t deal with that sort of stupidity and it’s why I tend to stay clear of these sorts of debates.
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vlad
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Sorry but messi in 2011 was from another world, he had great support, but he was trying harder and was fighting for every ball near him, he didnt just looked at opposition players with the ball like now, remember 2015? He was running like hell, and end result was triplete, im not saying barca would won triplete every season with such messi, but surely barca would have more CL success, im not puting all the blame on him, dont get me wrong, but i have also feeling his teammates would try harder if they see messi doing the same
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MessiCam
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Horse shit. Don’t change the goal posts. You said Messi doesn’t run and I’ve said he never has. That Messi once ran is the biggest myth of all time.
Even Pep said that Messi runs the least because there are facets to his game.
ebc_99
Active member
How can anyone say Messi is mentally weak, you don't stay at the top of the worlds most competitive sport for over a decade by being mentally weak. He has carried Barca for years and even some Barca fans don't give him the credit he deserves. He has nothing to prove, has had an unparalleled career and time will be very kind to him.
Messi is defining an era. His teammates come and go but the team is still competitive thanks to him.
Like Pep said, it wasn't the Pep era, it was and is the Messi era.
You can't really say "The Ronaldo era" at Real Madrid. These last years would rather be defined as the voodoo Zidane era.
Like Pep said, it wasn't the Pep era, it was and is the Messi era.
You can't really say "The Ronaldo era" at Real Madrid. These last years would rather be defined as the voodoo Zidane era.
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