10 - Lionel Messi - v5

Alik

Moderator
Nobody to blame but himself. It was a piss poor penalty.


I watched the match from the tactical cam and he had zero assistance. Aguero, Biglia and Mascherano were the main culprits. Against that parked bus, which was great in its execution, Aguero should have helped him more by coming off the front into deeper areas but he stayed upfront and made these little diagonal runs to the left. Neither Mascherano or Biglia took up a more advanced position in the centre either leaving Messi completely isolated which meant every attack was initiated by getting the ball to Messi having to drive at the defense looking for a 1-2 in the final third.

After what I saw on the tactical cam I would be tempted to go 3-3-1-3 with Dybala in the hole and Messi at RW and Higuain as striker but the problem with that is neither (Messi/Dybala) are tactically disciplined enough to pull it off and would just get in each other’s way like against Venezuela and Uruguay in the qualifiers. The other option is 4-3-3 with Messi on the wing but the problem here is that there is no longer any Lanzini to do the cover work when Messi goes inside or drops deep but it’s clear that this 4-2-3-1 is not going to work because it isolates Messi and there is no attacking impetus in the centre.

People laugh at Benzema, whom I think is criminally underrated, but he does to perfection what Aguero should have done against that deep block. Higuain is a better option for Argentina at this stage than Aguero for the team dynamic they have going but he is wasteful.


None of Meza, Di Maria, Acuna and Pavon are a solution because neither cut in.


That’s how Sampaoli plays unfortunately and Argentina are not a good counter attacking side.

In the grand scheme of things it’s just a lack of a midfield. Losing Lanzini didn’t help and replacing him with Enzo Pérez, another defense minded player, was a mistake of epic proportions. The only attack minded central midfielder they have is Éver “Fucking” Benega.

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Although I think that Argentina would do better as a counter attacking side than what they are currently playing.
 

sabby

New member
His performance after the penalty was poor, no question. That miss put a big dent on his confidence. There is no excuse to hit two free kicks straight to the walls from that distance. I was practically shouting to pass or put the ball under the wall like he did last year. But I think he was pretty good before the penalty. The Icelandic team put a great defensive performance. Their marking was absolutely commendable. But the other Argentine players failed to draw defenders away near the box, that has to be addressed. He's not in his prime anymore to dribble past 5 defenders, he needs a bit of space. Di maria and co failed to do that. Ironically, I think this tournament he should actually stay a bit behind to draw players to create chances for Aguero and others.

Personally, I feel we have seen his best WC in 2014 and it was his damn bad luck that the finishing of Higuain and co didn't live up otherwise they would have gotten the cup. This time, they are more of a fringe team with this midfield and defense. They should play like they used to in the late 90s and early 2000s. Passing and keeping possession won't help, counterattacking would be more effective for this team.
 

kollegah

Senior Member
His performance after the penalty was poor, no question. That miss put a big dent on his confidence. There is no excuse to hit two free kicks straight to the walls from that distance. I was practically shouting to pass or put the ball under the wall like he did last year. But I think he was pretty good before the penalty. The Icelandic team put a great defensive performance. Their marking was absolutely commendable. But the other Argentine players failed to draw defenders away near the box, that has to be addressed. He's not in his prime anymore to dribble past 5 defenders, he needs a bit of space. Di maria and co failed to do that. Ironically, I think this tournament he should actually stay a bit behind to draw players to create chances for Aguero and others.

Personally, I feel we have seen his best WC in 2014 and it was his damn bad luck that the finishing of Higuain and co didn't live up otherwise they would have gotten the cup. This time, they are more of a fringe team with this midfield and defense. They should play like they used to in the late 90s and early 2000s. Passing and keeping possession won't help, counterattacking would be more effective for this team.

his best was WC 2010, please watch the highlights. 2014 he was so fucking lazy, if he had been in the 2015 form, ARG would have won it
 

Mitchell1978

Senior Member
I am wondering how much effort and preparation Messi puts into practicing Penalties. He knows it's one of his few weak points, so why not doing special work?
Barça missed a highly probable CL win when he missed one against Chelsea at home (Pep still Coach) ARG lost a Copa Final and now Iceland.

After the miss in the Copa America Shootout he scored like 10 straight penalties in the 2016-17 season but since then he's 4 for 8, i don't know what happened
Did he work on it last season and stopped doing that or is it just a confidence thing.
 

GOAT_SUAREZ

New member
I've seen people all over commenting about Messi not being the same and losing his magic touch. Pathetic.

It's not like he carried us singlehandedly all season long. So reactionary. People need to get a grip. It was the first match of their WC campaign FFS. Let's talk in a few weeks then, where you people can be reactionary again and make your "recency bias"-fueled arguments.

He didn't show up in the UCL for a few years now.
 

ebc_99

Active member
He didn't show up in the UCL for a few years now.

And Ronaldo doesn't perform nearly as well in La Liga which is worse because it's 38 games.

People always over analyse Messi's performances, he had an ok game and now so many think he has to change something, he just dominated the league more than he ever has and dragged us to the title but some seem to be forgetting that.

Ronaldo is getting praised for being clutch, but what did he do in the final? Nothing, the semi against Bayern? Nothing. The first half of La Liga? Nothing. Messi performs week in week out at a level nobody else comes close to yet still gets criticism for the odd off day when Ronaldo seems to get a pass. I heard someone today say that if Argentina don't get out of the group and Portugal do then that settles the debate, completely forgetting that Argentina got to the final last time and Portugal got knocked out in the group stage. It seems to me that Messi has to do a lot more to get any credit than any other player.
 
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MessiTBE

Banned
Listening to him saying he is hurting has broken my heart.

But as humans we only tend to go on the last game. Messi scores winner against Croatia then would be perfect. We have to stop worrying what Ronaldo will do, he has Morocco and Iran and then either Russia or Uruguay so he will score a few more goals yet.
 

Hardy

Senior Member
I have a feeling that this world cup will end for him in the most miserable way, no goal, Argentina out in the first round or with France in ko stages where Messi never scored in his entire career.
 

ThwiX

Best midfielder around
It will probably end bad for him and Argentina looking at the state of the squad, but I think he will score a goal or two against Croatia already next game. Will never get far with this GK, defense and midfield, though. They're fucking pathetic. Caballero rebounding every shot at him into dangerous territory yesterday had me screaming at the TV. Fucking grandpa should've retired already.
 

eaman

Active member
He is one of the best free kick takers in the world but his freekicks under pressure are so bad all the time.

Remember his free kick against atletico this season or against real Madrid a few years back all under pressure or his one for Argentina against Colombia in the qualifiers. Yesterday he was not near enough goal to be a threat. They were all too far out to be shooting.
 

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