10 - Lionel Messi - V6

MessiTHEgoat

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As a complete player as he is right now, I still think his 10/11 was simply better. Just seen some comps from that season & he was totally unstoppable. can't be tackled when he's accelerating at full speed.
 

Altomonte

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In my view, Messi may be a little slower now than 8 years ago, but has improved in the following areas:
- understanding of the game, vision
- passing, creating chances for others
- shooting with left: both more power and precision and improved freekicks
- shooting with right leg: higher precision

Overall, today's Messi is a more complete and versatile player.
 

soul24rage

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How reliable are "La Porteria"? Don't know anything about them. They just said that Messi will start on the bench vs ATM.
 

Havesaks

Senior Member
If Messi often calls himself the greatest in 40-50 years, he'll be a fraud then too?

It cracks me up how zoomers are able to write off a player that was widely considered the best in the world and of all time by those who were alive to see him.

Depends if he is or isn't - or if there is doubt.

A player from the 20th mid-century doesn't hold a candle to a 21th century generational talent like Messi. There isn't really that much to discuss on this matter. You could argue that Pele was the most dominant, talented etc player of all time, but he surely wasn't the best. Those 3 WC titles would never have been won in this century by him and his brazil side.
 

FinBarcelonafan

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he is a fraud because he seems like a guy with agenda; keeping his legend alive. He was probably the greatest once, but he isn't anymore, and now he just looks desperate to hang on his goat title = fraud.

Exactly. It seems like Maradona and Pele are both very concerned about their GOAT status. Messi is that good, that they have to say bullshit about him to put them on platter again.
 

Horatio

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Exactly. It seems like Maradona and Pele are both very concerned about their GOAT status. Messi is that good, that they have to say bullshit about him to put them on platter again.

Maradona was very supportive of Messi in the past. I think with him there was some kind of falling out between the two during his Argentina coaching spell.
 

Vilarrubi

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Maradona was very supportive of Messi in the past. I think with him there was some kind of falling out between the two during his Argentina coaching spell.

I think he changes his mind every now and again and talks shit rather than them having a permanent fallout. Like they say though... cocaine is one hell of a drug.
 

Havesaks

Senior Member
Does anyone know how much the guy has been sniffing? Like averagely once a week after retirement, is that enough to make him that delusional?
tbh when i saw him in the stands at WC, i kinda felt bad for him, the guy was/is a mess, thats drugs for you I guess. Hell he was once or twice not far from falling 5m down to the ground if the bodyguard hadn't kept him safe.
And pele is 80? now, who knows how much sanity there is left in there.
 

bismp

Well-known member
The way i see it:

2009-2011 Messi

Dribbling+Acceleration:10/10
Finishing:8,5/10
Passing+Vision:8,5/10
Free Kicks:6/10
Overall IQ:9/10

2012-2013 Messi

Dribbling+Acceleration:9,5/10
Finishing:10/10
Passing+Vision:9/10
Free Kicks:7/10
Overall IQ:9/10

2015-2016 Messi

Dribbling+Acceleration:9/10
Finishing:9/10
Passing and vision:9,5/10
Free kicks:7/10
Overall IQ:9,5/10

2017-2019 Messi

Dribbling+Acceleration:8/10
Finishing:8,5/10
Passing and vision:9/10
Free kicks:9/10
Overall IQ:10/10
 
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Havesaks

Senior Member
messi 08-12 was definitely more joyful to watch. That dribbling ability was imo his truest GOAT form, and there will come a player one day who will surpass him in the next 40 years, but his absolute peak form 10-12 in Barca, i don't know if anyone will reach that in this century. He scored 91 goals + 22 assists in 2012, that was really something else. First player to win b'dor without major trophies?
 

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