11 - Neymar Jr. - v4

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JamDav1982

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If it is so easy to 'stat pad' at Barca and Real why have other players not done it?

Why did Ibra, Villa, Sanchez, Etoo all have better goal scoring seasons at other clubs?

When did this supposed stat padding era begin?
 

Kohe321

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People should stop with this, seriously.

Again, in 2004-05 Season, Barca scored 73 Goals, and Real scored 71 Goals in 38 League matches.
In 2005-06 Season, Barca scored 80 Goals, and Real scored 70 Goals in 38 matches.

In 2012, Barca scored 114 Goals, Real 121 Goals in 38 matches.
In 2013, Barca scored 115 Goals, and Real 100 League goals in 38 matches.
In 2014, Barca scored 103 Goals, Real 104 Goals.

Barca and Real combined:
2005: 144 League Goals
2006: 150 League Goals

2012: 235 League Goals, lol
2013: 215 League Goals
2014: 207 League Goals
2015: 190 Goals with 5 rounds to go, so that will be around 210-215-220 again
-- that is around 50% inflation compared to 2005 and 2006

So, do you thing that Barca's and Real's players were that poor and average in the past, because current players score 30-50% more than them, or something just happened in the overall ratio of strength in big vs smaller teams (Barca and Real vs the rest)

In 2005, when we won the first title with Ronaldinho-Etoo-Guily:
-- Etoo scored 25 League goals
-- Ronaldinho scored 9 Goals (lol, with penalty kicks and free kicks)
-- Guily scored 11 Goals

So, if currently Messi and Cristiano are banging 40-50 League goals per Season, and when even a winger Neymar is banging 20-25 League goals per Season, that should imply that current Neymar is already a few levels above Ronaldinho in his prime.

That is just lol, seriously.

Current players are awesome players, but let's not exaggerate.
La liga has become a statpadding championship and everyone should be slightly more cautions with "tremendous" goals stats from La liga in the last 5 years.

BBZ, you start with showing the increased goals scored from 2012 and onwards (the year Messi broke the all-time goal record), which is a big jump from 2006. What were the stats in between? Without having seen it, I guess the wild increase started when Messi exploded, and kept increasing after CR came to Madrid?

Football also evolves, and there has never been anyone like Messi doing what he does every week in La Liga before. His goal tally alone will inflate the stats massively, and the same goes for CR.
 
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Topolino

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You should not only look at what Real Madrid and Barcelona have done, but also look through all the other teams who played in la liga if the goals scored has increased.

Beside, trying to put football into numbers in just nonsense.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
BBZ, you start with showing the increased goals scored from 2012 and onwards, which is a big jump from 2006. What were the stats in between? Without having seen it, I guess the wild increase started when Messi exploded, and Ronaldo came to Madrid?

Etoo played in 2008/09 when Barca scored 105 league goals. So he didn't miss the 'stat padding days'.

The numbers of goals going up dramatically since 10 years ago is due to Barca and Real having much better attacking players. Two of the greatest goal scorers ever that are repeating their goal scoring superiority in Europe not just la Liga.
 

Kohe321

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Etoo played in 2008/09 when Barca scored 105 league goals. So he didn't miss the 'stat padding days'.

The numbers of goals going up dramatically since 10 years ago is due to Barca and Real having much better attacking players. Two of the greatest goal scorers ever that are repeating their goal scoring superiority in Europe not just la Liga.

Yeah, you're making a good point there.
 

StarLord

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People should stop with this, seriously.

Again, in 2004-05 Season, Barca scored 73 Goals, and Real scored 71 Goals in 38 League matches.
In 2005-06 Season, Barca scored 80 Goals, and Real scored 70 Goals in 38 matches.

In 2012, Barca scored 114 Goals, Real 121 Goals in 38 matches.
In 2013, Barca scored 115 Goals, and Real 100 League goals in 38 matches.
In 2014, Barca scored 103 Goals, Real 104 Goals.

Barca and Real combined:
2005: 144 League Goals
2006: 150 League Goals

2012: 235 League Goals, lol
2013: 215 League Goals
2014: 207 League Goals
2015: 190 Goals with 5 rounds to go, so that will be around 210-215-220 again
-- that is around 50% inflation compared to 2005 and 2006

So, do you thing that Barca's and Real's players were that poor and average in the past, because current players score 30-50% more than them, or something just happened in the overall ratio of strength in big vs smaller teams (Barca and Real vs the rest)

In 2005, when we won the first title with Ronaldinho-Etoo-Guily:
-- Etoo scored 25 League goals
-- Ronaldinho scored 9 Goals (lol, with penalty kicks and free kicks)
-- Guily scored 11 Goals

So, if currently Messi and Cristiano are banging 40-50 League goals per Season, and when even a winger Neymar is banging 20-25 League goals per Season, that should imply that current Neymar is already a few levels above Ronaldinho in his prime.

That is just lol, seriously.

Current players are awesome players, but let's not exaggerate.
La liga has become a statpadding championship and everyone should be slightly more cautions with "tremendous" goals stats from La liga in the last 5 years.

So your insinuating that La Liga has become a lesser competition in the last few years vis a vis 05/06 for example. Well, let's take a look at what really happened in 11/12:


5 (!!!!) of the 8 semi-finalists in European competitions were Spanish. Real Madrid, Barcelona (both unlucky to be eliminated in the CL semis) and Bilbao, Atletico and Valencia in the EL. The final of the EL was an all-Spanish affair with Bilbao and Atletico, with Atletico winning the EL in the most astonishing fashion imaginable. Let's look at their results in the KO stage:

Lazio-Atletico 1-3

Atletico-Lazio 1-0

Atletico-Besiktas 3-1

Besiktas-Atletico 0-3

Atletico-Hannover 2-1

Hannover-Atletico 1-2

Atletico-Valencia 1-0

Valencia-Atletico 2-4

Atletico-Bilbao 3-0


That season, Atletico finished 5th in the league. Then went to utterly demolish CL champions Chelsea 4-1 in the ESC.


Bilbao finished 10th in La Liga in 11/12, now let's see how they fared against European opponents:


Locomotiv Moscow-Bilbao 2-1

Bilbao-Locomotiv Moscow 1-0

Man Utd-Bilbao 2-3

Bilbao-Man Utd 2-1

Schalke-Bilbao 2-4

Bilbao-Schalke 2-2

Sporting-Bilbao 2-1

Bilbao-Sporting 3-1

So, a team that finished 10th (!) in La Liga was good enough to embarrass the EPL runners-up (losing only on goal difference to Man City on the final kick of the season: Agueroooooooooo) along with Schalke who finished 3rd in the BuLi.


Valencia also reached the semis:

Stoke-Valencia 0-1 (cold, rain, "physicality" and all)

Valencia-Stoke 1-0

Valencia-PSV 4-2

PSV-Valencia 1-1

AZ-Valencia 2-1

Valencia-AZ 4-0

then, they lost to Atletico.


So, these are the teams you say were utter crap, and the basis for Real and Barca players to stat-pad!!! While an actual examination of the facts, shows that La Liga is the highest quality league in the world.

You try to talk down Neymar's record by claiming that La Liga is an easy league to score in, but you completely fail to account for the fact that La Liga has in fact opened up an astronomical gap between itself and the rest of Europe (even filty-rich EPL, and a BuLi with lots of local talent, and a somewhat improving Serie A) You also fail to take into account that Neymar is playing on the wings (while someone like Eto'o played at CF) and does not take free-kicks or penalties. :messi:+:neymar:+:suarez:= the best attacking trident the world has ever known and that is why they score so much, not because of weak competition. Hell, have you even watched our games vs City? They could have scored 15 goals between them in the tie and that is not exaggerating one little bit.

If anything, all the evidence clearly demonstrates, that not only is La Liga not weaker now than it was 10 years ago, but it is also far stronger as demonstrated by its record haul of UEFA points.


The simple reason why Real Madrid and Barcelona forwards score so much, is because they are all supreme footballers playing for supreme sides the likes of which we may never see again.


For reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_La_Liga#League_table

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_UEFA_Europa_League

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2015.html
 
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BBZ8800

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Etoo played in 2008/09 when Barca scored 105 league goals. So he didn't miss the 'stat padding days'.

The numbers of goals going up dramatically since 10 years ago is due to Barca and Real having much better attacking players. Two of the greatest goal scorers ever that are repeating their goal scoring superiority in Europe not just la Liga.

Lol.

Partly because of that, but partly because that rich got richer.

About Etoo playing in 2009, for me, Etoo's prime Seasons were 2005 and 2006, our first 2 titles with Ronnie-Etoo-Rijkaard-Laporta.

About how La liga became a 2-horse race, for example:
1996:
1. Atletico
2. Valencia
3. BARCA
..
6. Real Madrid, lol

1997:
1. Real
2. Barca

1998:
1. Barca
..
4. Real (Champions of Europe, lol)

1999:
1. Barca
2. Real (Galacticos)

2000:
1. Deportivo
2. Barca
3. Valencia
4. Zaragoza
5. Real (Galacticos, winners of a CL that year again)

2001:
1. Real
2. Deportivo
3. Mallorca
4. Barca

2002:
1. Valencia
2. Deportivo
3. Real (Galacticos, winners of CL again, lol)
4. Barca

2003:
1. Real
...
6. Barca

2004:
1. Valencia
2. Barca
3. Deportivo
4. Real
**************
**************
2005:
1. Barca
2. Real

2006:
1. Barca
2. Real

2007:
1. Real
2. Barca

2008:
1. Real
2. Villareal
3. Barca

2009:
1. Barca
2. Real

2010:
1. Barca
2. Real

2011:
1. Barca
2. Real

2012:
1. Real
2. Barca

2013:
1. Barca
2. Real

2014:
1. Atletico
2. Barca
3. Real

2015:
1. Barca (??)
2. Real (??)

So, in seasons 1996-2004 (9 Seasons), Barca and Real were together on spots 1 and 2=only 2 times in 9 Seasons
In Seasons 2005-2015 (11 Seasons), Barca and Real were together on spots 1 and 2=9 times, lol

Now let's check league positions of Barca and Real in 1996-2004 and from 2005-2015:
Barca (1996-2004): 3, 2, 1, 1, 2, 4, 4, 6, 2
Real (1996-2004): 6, 1, 4, 2, 5, 1, 3, 1, 4

Barca (2005-2015): 1, 1, 2, 3, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1
Real (2005-2015): 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 3, 2

Barca and Real together:
-- Seasons 1996-2004:
1st place: 5 times
2nd place: 4 times
3rd place: 2 times
4th place: 4 times
5th place: 1 times
6th place: 2 times

Barca and Real together, Seasons 2005-2015:
1st place: 10, lol
2nd place: 10, lol
3rd place: 2, lol
4th place: - lol
5th place: - lol
6th place: - lol

So, we can call Sherlock if some people want, but it is clear from the plane that Barca and Real BOTH improved a loooooooooooooooooot in the last 10 years.
Now, these improvement started before Messi and Ronaldo, so you can't sell that argument.
Sponsor's deals and money around Barca and Real increased a lot in the last 10 years, and both Barca and Real became too strong for La liga opponents.

For example, in 90's and in early 2000's, we could ask:
1. were Barca and Real place 4th, 5th and 6th=because they had really bad teams?
2. or they were placed 4th, 5th and 6th, not because they were poor, but because they weren't as rich as today, and other teams were equally as rich back then and Valencia, Deportivo and other could have competed with us?

For example, Real Madrid who won 3 CL titles in 1998-2000 and 2002, finished:
1998: 4th
1999: 2nd
2000: 5th
2001: 1st
2002: 3rd
-- so, Galacticos, who were good enough to win 3 CLs in 5 years (and not in Chelsea's way, lol. But more like in Barca's way, when you are the best in Europe by far), managed to end only twice in top2 positions in those 5 years.
LOLOLO...

So, again, it is not ONLY because of Messi and Ronaldo, but because of other things also.
Also, I don't get why people are offended when I say that La liga's goals are inflated.
It sounds as if I have offended someone.

I am looking at it this way:
= when people say that Ney is scoring more than Ronaldinho and Etoo, I found that rude and disrespectful towards those 2 legends
-- and no, Ney is not on their level yet, even though he has better stats. Again, because of inflated league.

If it is so easy to 'stat pad' at Barca and Real why have other players not done it?

Why did Ibra, Villa, Sanchez, Etoo all have better goal scoring seasons at other clubs?

When did this supposed stat padding era begin?

Lol, you don't need a Sherlock to guess that inflated goals stats probably started to rise year by year since 2005, when La liga started to be a 2-horse race, and after that, each year Barca and Real are richer and richer, they are better than the opponents, and stats are rising.
Someone will ask: why isn't that extra rich Barca a champion of Europe?
= because the same thing is happening in Germany and England
-- so, in the past, Leagues were more even
-- now we have a few of superclubs who are too good for their leagues and they are statpadding in league matches

Let's see a sum of Barca's+Real's goals from 2003-04 (Ronaldinho's+Rijkaard's first year) till today:
1999-00: 70+58=128 (Galacticos won a CL)
2000-01: 80+81=161
2001-02: 65+69=134 (Galacticos won a CL)
2002-03: 63+86=149
2003-04: 63+72=135, (Messi+Ronaldo 0+0=0 Goals)
2004-05: 73+71=144, (Messi+Ronaldo 1+0=1)
2005-06: 80+70=150, (Messi+Ronaldo 6+0=6)
2006-07: 78+66=144, (Messi+Ronaldo 14+0=14)
2007-08: 76+84=160, (Messi+Ronaldo 10+0=10)
2008-09: 105+83=188, (Messi+Ronaldo 23+0=23)
2009-10: 98+102=200, (Messi+Ronaldo 34+26=60)
2010-11: 95+102=197, (Messi+Ronaldo 31+40=71)
2011-12: 114+121=235, (Messi+Ronaldo 50+46=96)
2012-13: 115+103=218, (Messi+Ronaldo 46+34=80)
2013-14: 100+104=204, (Messi+Ronaldo 28+31=59)

-- so, you see, the argument how stats are inflated BECAUSE we have Messi and Ronaldo is only partially correct.
-- you see, even WITHOUT Messi and Ronaldo, stats in La Liga for Barca and Real inflated from 130-140 as average in Seasons 2000-2004, to 145, 150, 160 later
-- and even in the last Season without Ronaldo, La liga jumped to 188 Goals

-- so, in 2002: Figo, Zidane, Raul, Morientes won a CL and managed to score 69 Goals in 34 matches.
-- in 2006, Ronaldinho, Etoo, Larsson, Guily, Messi were on their prime (except young Messi), and we scored 78 Goals
-- and then, for example, in Tito's Season, without a coach who was ill, with a lot of injuries, and without Neymar and Suarez in attack, we managed to score 114 Goals in 34 matches

-- so: Galacticos from 2002: 69 goals
-- Barca's golden team from 2006: 78 Goals
-- Tito's team without a coach=114 Goals

I know, people will now say: we had a godlike Messi in that Season.
Ok, Messi scored 50 league goals that Season.
And Ronaldinho scored 9 and 17 goals (with free kicks and some penalty kicks) in our titles in 2005 and 2006.
So, seriously, is Messi from 2012 really a 5 times better scorer than Ronaldinho from 2005, or something just changed in the relation: Barca+Real vs rest of the la liga?

Football also evolves, and there has never been anyone like Messi doing what he does every week in La Liga before. His goal tally alone will inflate the stats massively, and the same goes for CR.

The question is: whether Messi is THAT much better than all Barca's legends from the past (Ronnie and Etoo, for example)?
-- while I could buy a story that Messi is much better than Ronnie and Etoo, there is a problem with CR7
-- he is just NOT at Ronaldinho's level imo
-- at best, he can be at Etoo+s level, for me
-- and now, Ronaldinho was scoring 10-20 league goals, and a crappy Cristiano can score 40-50 each Season
-- that makes you wonder: what happened

In the end, we have 2 options:
1. option:
-- Messi is waaaay better than everyone
-- Cristiano is better than Ronaldinho and Etoo
-- even Neymar is already better than Ronaldinho on his prime (they are playing on the same position, and Neymar is scoring much more)

Or, the 2nd option:
= stats of current players are inflated
-- Messi is the best ever, but his stats are also inflated
-- Cristiano is not that good, and he would be scoring 20-25-30 goals in 2004 or 2005
-- Neymar is good but not as good as prime Ronaldinho or Etoo
-- Neymar would score 10-15 Goals as a LW in 2004-2005-2006 against opponents from those days

I think that option 2 is a true answer.
But again, people will get offended (lol, I will never understand why exactly) if I say that current players are not THAT good.

You should not only look at what Real Madrid and Barcelona have done, but also look through all the other teams who played in la liga if the goals scored has increased.

Why?
-- imagine that Barca and Real had 20 Millions to spend per Season in the past (in 2000 or 2004)
-- and Osasuna and Malaga had 5 milllions each

-- Barca played 2:1 against Malaga and Osasuna
-- Malaga and Osasuna played 1:1 against eachother

-- today, Barca and Real have 100 Millions to spend
-- Osasuna and Malaga still have only 5 Millions to spend

What will happen?
-- instead of Barca:Malaga 2:1 and Barca:Osasuna 2:1, we will have:
-- Barca:Osasuna 4:1, Barca:Malaga 4:1

-- on the other hand, Osasuna and Malaga will stay play 1:1
-- why should their stats be inflated, lol?

Beside, trying to put football into numbers in just nonsense.

Sorry, a bad, bad argument.

Etoo played in 2008/09 when Barca scored 105 league goals. So he didn't miss the 'stat padding days'.

Etoo scored 25 and 26 Goals in his glorious Seasons in 2005 and 2006, when he was our key player, who took a lot of penalty kicks.
In 2009, when we turned to Messi, Etoo still managed to have his best Season (lol, who would say) with 30 League goals.

-- also, from 30 Goals in La liga in 2009, Etoo dropped to 12 and 21 for Inter in the next 2 Seasons (Seria A is not a statpadding contest, because top 2 teams are not THAT much stronger than the rest of the league, because Italy has problems with finances)

The numbers of goals going up dramatically since 10 years ago is due to Barca and Real having much better attacking players. Two of the greatest goal scorers ever that are repeating their goal scoring superiority in Europe not just la Liga.

I can't explain how disrespectful this is towards all other generations.
While Messi is a goat, and I am not that sure about Cristiano, I wrote before, Galacticos from 2000's who were hailed as the best team ever back then, managed to score 60-70 Goals per Season.

I mean, Galacticos with Zidane, Figo, Beckham, Brasilian Ronaldo, Raul were scoring 70, 70 and 86 Goals in those Seasons.
-- so, THESE players from the above were scoring 70-86 Goals per Season, and mighty Trio of Ronaldo-Benzema-Higuain scored 120+ Goals in 2012.
Lol. Just lol.

So, ALL of the current players in Barca and Real are just best ever?
Ozil and Khedira from 2012 are better than Figo-Zidane-Beckham-Guti, and this is why Real scored 120+ Goals?
 
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BBZ8800

Senior Member
Random stats not answering my post

Lol.
A funny question, since you are hailing a success of Spanish teams in Europe, can you reply:
HOW ON EARTH IS POSSIBLE:
-- that Real won a CL in 1998, 2000 and 2002, and finished:
-- 4th, 5th and 3rd in La Liga in those Seasons?

You see, in European cups which you are mentioning as an argument, LUCK plays a huge factor.
In La liga, over 38 rounds, the best team will get on top.
How was it possible that Galacticos were that poor over 38 matches?

Those players were worth the same or more than Bale, Ney and Suarez today.

In 2000's CL, Barca, Real and Valencia played in Semis.
When that happened after that?

++ About our clubs in Europe, it is still possible that Barca and Real are 100 Millions, 2-3 teams 20 Millions and this is why they are good in Europe, while bottom teams are earning 5 Millions, and 100 Millions from Barca versus 5 Millions from midtablea teams is still more than 20 Millions from Barca versus 5 Millions from midtable teams in 2004.

So, even if we would have 5 good teams in Europe, that still doesn't say anything about the strength of Barca vs 20 La liga teams in 2004 and in 2015.
(20 millions vs 5 millions, and 100 millions vs 5 millions today)
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
Once again BBZ you try to change the direction of the argument.

No one is saying goals is the defining indicator as to who the better players are.

Interesting you make excuses for Etoo in 2009 being second to Messi and not on pens.... Neither is Neymar.

La Liga is stronger today than it was in 2006.

Is it fair to compate Neymar this season to Etoo in 2009?
 
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BBZ8800

Senior Member
Once again BBZ you try to change the direction of the argument.

No one is saying goals is the defining indicator as to who the better players are.

Interesting you make excuses for Etoo in 2009 being second to Messi and not on pens.... Neither is Neymar.

Is it fair to compate Neymar this season to Etoo in 2009?

I am not interested in getting too far from the main argument.
You can now post random things which will distract us from the main argument.

I am not saying that scoring goals is the main thing when we decide who is better.
Ok.

Let's stick to the main question:
So:
1. Goals from Barca+Real improved slightly since 2000 till today
2. those goals improved even before Messi+Ronaldo
-- so, you can't sell that argument anymore (that Messi and Ronaldo ALONE more or less caused that inflation)
3. La liga was not a 2 horse race in 90's and in early 00's
-- La liga was a 2 horse race in 9 occasions (out of 11 seasons) since 2004 till today
-- so, something changed compared to past
-- if you check the average of points from Real and Barca, it jumped from 70+70 to 100+100 per Season
-- so, we have:
a) a two horse race
b) more points per Season for Real and Barca in the last 10 years
c) more and more Goals each season due to rich getting richer each season

Again, I am telling you that is the KEY thing:
-- Barca and Real were earning 20 Millions in 90's,
-- and other La liga teams 5 Millions
-- the difference was: 20:5. This numbers are just an example, I haven't actually checked the books. But you get the point. Earnings from numerous sponsors were smaller 15-20 years ago

-- today that ratio is 100:5 and this is why we have a 2-horse race, and seasons with 100, 110 or 120 goals from both teams

Can we agree on that?
If not, please try to find some new arguments.
I am eager to hear them.

Don't go offtopic, too much, if possible.
 
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Vlom

Previously known as Mehssi
Oh boy, we really can't just have nice things and appreciate them it seems :/

So, how many goals does Neymar need to score for us to consider that he's an amazing player for barça ?
 

StarLord

New member
Lol.
A funny question, since you are hailing a success of Spanish teams in Europe, can you reply:
HOW ON EARTH IS POSSIBLE:
-- that Real won a CL in 1998, 2000 and 2002, and finished:
-- 4th, 5th and 3rd in La Liga in those Seasons?

You see, in European cups which you are mentioning as an argument, LUCK plays a huge factor.
In La liga, over 38 rounds, the best team will get on top.
How was it possible that Galacticos were that poor over 38 matches?

Those players were worth the same or more than Bale, Ney and Suarez today.

In 2000's CL, Barca, Real and Valencia played in Semis.
When that happened after that?

Anyway, how was it possible that Real and Barca finished in top 2 only in 2 Seasons in years 1996-2004?
They were crap then, right?
Ozil, Khedira and Bale are much better players than Figo, Zidane, Brasilian Ronaldo, Beckham, Barca's Ronaldo, Rivaldo etc?

Clearly you are cherry-picking and choosing the stats that suit your argument.

What you say about Real Madrid winning the CL thrice while at the same time not getting anywhere near winning La Liga, just demonstrates that La Liga has been 2nd or 1st (usually 1st) during the past decade and a half.

Real Madrid always tend to prioritize the CL over La Liga (and rightly so imo) and when they realized that their chances in La Liga were not that great, they would always put their all in winning the biggest trophy in club football, a most rational calculation.

No one denies that La Liga (as well as all the other major European leagues) have become less competitive now than they were 10 or 15 years ago. But saying that Neymar is not THAT great is a bit BS if you ask me.

Yes, maybe it was somewhat more difficult for Eto'o and Gaucho to score back in 2005 than it is to our current forwards, but you also miss other factors. Gaucho had to shoulder the bulk of responsibility regarding creativity in the team, Neymar does not have to do that work. So, Gaucho in his prime had more duties than Neymar does now. But as pure goalscorer, Neymar utterly pawns Gaucho, while in terms of creativity and on-the-ball-play, Gaucho pawns Neymar.

Eto'o played as a CF for us, and had the good fortune of being supplied by players such as prime Gaucho, prime Messi, prime Xavi, prime Iniesta, prime Alves, prime Yaya, prime Deco (fuck, only Optimus Prime was missing) You would guess that a player with all this supporting cast would be scoring a few goals now and then.

At Inter, he enjoyed no such luxuries, and in his first season at Inter, he was not a CF, Milito was (scoring 30 goals that season) Eto'o was also getting old by 10/11, yet still scored a grand total of 37 goals when played as a CF for Inter, which is one more than during his best "stat-padding season" with us.

Another thing, no one called the Galacticos as the best team ever back then. Most of them were in clear decline by the time Florentino assembled them.
 

StarLord

New member
Once again BBZ you try to change the direction of the argument.

No one is saying goals is the defining indicator as to who the better players are.

Interesting you make excuses for Etoo in 2009 being second to Messi and not on pens.... Neither is Neymar.

La Liga is stronger today than it was in 2006.

Is it fair to compate Neymar this season to Etoo in 2009?

I can clearly recall Eto'o taking penaldos in 08/09.
 
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