11 - Neymar Jr. - v4

[JamDav1982]

It is completely part of the argument to compare Etoo 2009 vs Neymar now but you won't do it as outcome doesn't suit your argument.

You are jumping about all over the place trying to find dates that fit the bill.

Sometimes it's the 90s, next its 2006 etc.

Using the money argument Barcelona should have been much better in mid 00s than in early/mid 90s and should have been easier for Etoo, Ronaldinho and guily to score bucket loads more than Romario, ronaldo, stoichkov etc. Why didn't they?

 

[Gasgas]

TBF bbz has some very good points

 

[Gasgas]

If you ask me
Neymar is still far from reaching ronaldinho
And suarez a lot far from etoo

 

[JamDav1982]

If BBZ has fair points then Messi's goal records don't mean all that much.

Strange this idea of his that la Liga is a stat padders dream seems to rear its head when Neymar scored over 30 goals.

 

[StarLord]

If you ask me
Neymar is still far from reaching ronaldinho
And suarez a lot far from etoo

1. Like I said, as a playmaker, Neymar is not a patch on Ronaldinho. As a goalscorer, he is better though. Overall, Neymar has ways to go to reach Gaucho, but time is definitely on his side. Remember that Dinho faded badly in his late 20s.

2. Suarez is on track to be far greater than Eto'o. Especially if we include his Liverpool heroics into the mix. Eto'o never scored twice in the home of the EPL champions, and twice in the home of a mega-rich club like PSG. Suarez had done precisely that at the first time of asking.

 

[StarLord]

If BBZ has fair points then Messi's goal records don't mean all that much.

Strange this idea of his that la Liga is a stat padders dream seems to rear its head when Neymar scored over 30 goals.

Neymar is anything except a stat padder.

-Scores in Clasicos.

-Only player of ours to have scored vs Atletico last season.

-Taken PSG to the cleaners this season, 5 goals in 4 matches against them, all of them awesome! No tap-in BS.

-Taken Atletico to the cleaners.

-Scored several of our first goals in numerous games (Bilbao, Villarreal, Granada, PSG x2, Real Madrid, Ajax, Levante x2, Almeria, Sevilla made it 2-1, Atletico x2, Espanyol etc)

 

[TornAndFrayed]

-- Messi is waaaay better than everyone
-- Cristiano is better than Ronaldinho and Etoo

By your own logic Cristiano is just as good as Messi, not just better than Eto'o. And since you don't believe this you should realize only taking goals into account is completely senseless. But instead of realizing this ever simple thing, you conclude that stats are "inflated lately" ?

So, if currently Messi and Cristiano are banging 40-50 League goals per Season, and when even a winger Neymar is banging 20-25 League goals per Season, that should imply that current Neymar is already a few levels above Ronaldinho in his prime.

Get a grip.

(Seria A is not a statpadding contest, because top 2 teams are not THAT much stronger than the rest of the league, because Italy has problems with finances)

So... What will it be ? Are the top teams who get more money getting better ( what you say here ) or are the other teams who aren't getting richer getting much weaker for no damn reason at all ?
I'll let you explain this one. You'll probably come up with the idea that richer clubs buy better players from inferior clubs, just like when we splashed 40 mil on Villa, 'cause you know that would explain the whole thing.

The excellent spanish european results these years is just making your arguments more clownish. I'm sick of reading meaningless walls of text that strangely just pour negativity on neymar, la liga, you name it.

 

[Gasgas]

1. Like I said, as a playmaker, Neymar is not a patch on Ronaldinho. As a goalscorer, he is better though. Overall, Neymar has ways to go to reach Gaucho, but time is definitely on his side. Remember that Dinho faded badly in his late 20s.

2. Suarez is on track to be far greater than Eto'o. Especially if we include his Liverpool heroics into the mix. Eto'o never scored twice in the home of the EPL champions, and twice in the home of a mega-rich club like PSG. Suarez had done precisely that at the first time of asking.

If BBZ has fair points then Messi's goal records don't mean all that much.

Strange this idea of his that la Liga is a stat padders dream seems to rear its head when Neymar scored over 30 goals.

I think the most important measure would be what percentage of goals and assists those players are contributing.
If a team scores 20 goals a season and Gasgas scores 15 of them, this should be different from another era when the team scores 800 goals and Jamdav scores 50 of them. Also another important measure would be assessing contribution in big games, and match winning goals like a goal that clinches a 3-2 victory. Otherwise plenty of time will be wasted here


Star Lord
As a goalscorer between ronaldinho vs neymar, and suarez vs eto'o we need to compare their conversion rates
Your last sentence is as funny as it gets . With the same level of thinking we can start saying messi has never scored vs chelsea but cristiano has, and so in a UCL final. See what i did there?

 

[Icarium]

Neymar scored 19 goals in la liga. He might add 5 more goals mostly... let us assume it will 25 at the end of the season. Neymar is a very good goal scorer. He will break pele record. So it is not a surprise he will score 25 goals this season. That doesn't make him better player than ronaldinho... who even claimed that?

But if you want to compare ronaldinho and ronaldo (cr7), the former is better player at his prime but ronaldo has consistency. He even has most number of goals in CL record in a single season ( only saying this because you consider la liga to be statpading league). So yes ronaldo deserves to be mentioned among ronaldinho and other legends during that time.

 

[JamDav1982]

Gasgas - comparing % of goals scored for a team is difficult as its not fair to down grade a player as they play alongside one of the greatest finishers of all time who is also the most creative player in team.

 

[JamDav1982]

Messi will go down as top Argentina goal scorer of all time and greatest player.

Suarez is already Uraguay top goal scorer of all time.

Neymar will go down as Brazil's top goal scorer.

They are not scoring big numbers at Barca due to a poor la Liga.

 

[Gasgas]

Gasgas - comparing % of goals scored for a team is difficult as its not fair to down grade a player as they play alongside one of the greatest finishers of all time who is also the most creative player in team.

Then use the % conversion rates, how many chances he gets what percent he converts, how many key passes he makes etc.
Otherwise we will be comparing player quality out of goals scored only which is grossly misleading basing on the number of chances and the type of football played now and that played in the past

 

[TornAndFrayed]

football analysis level 2: let's take more than goals into account.

 

[CatalinR10]

So people now try to downgrade Neymar by saying that La Liga is a stat padding league ?


The fuck is wrong with you people.

 

[JamDav1982]

Then use the % conversion rates, how many chances he gets what percent he converts, how many key passes he makes etc.
Otherwise we will be comparing player quality out of goals scored only which is grossly misleading basing on the number of chances and the type of football played now and that played in the past

Conversion rates don't tell the whole story either. It is the strength of some players to get into goal scoring positions as often as they can.

I remember Alex Ferguson saying how he loved Ronaldos desire to take shots and try to score goals all the time. He knew full well he would miss a lot but it would win them games.