11 - Neymar Jr. - v4

[JamDav1982]

Can some1 make quick TLDR what the hell is going on here? Are Neymar fans arguing he is better than Messi or what? Or other peeps saying Neymar hasn't been up to the level he should be at?

No one ever argues Neymar is as good as Messi. You will only hear that mentioned in straw man arguments to say he isnt.

Pretty much everyone as far as I can see say he could be playing better.

 

[Vlom]

Can some1 make quick TLDR what the hell is going on here? Are Neymar fans arguing he is better than Messi or what? Or other peeps saying Neymar hasn't been up to the level he should be at?

Edit: Don't have time to read all the post's and seems bit of a hassle.

People are saying Neymar is way bellow what we should expect from him. These are the haters.

People are saying the ball boy's haircut was also bad, so Neymar's level is irrelevant. These are the fanboys.

In a nutshell.

 

[Barcaman]

Why will the main guy more heat when others are gifting goals left right and centre?

Yes, if he sucked too.

Should messi have recieved the heat for not winning the finals when his teammates kept fucking up? .

Messi can sit on the pitch until his retirement and still be worshiped. He deserved it.
Neymar can play for a decade more (at his 2015 level) and still wouldn't come close to Messi. Not that he will mind you, as he is not showing any signs of getting there nor does he have the mental capacity.

 

[Neymessi]

I'm sorry i don't understand your post, what are all those debates about then ? Clearly a group is saying that he has been out of form in 2016, that he needs to improve and an other group is saying that he is not (Denying that idea).

ITs like a cartel war over here. Better if you stay away if you can

Basically one group says he has been very bad. While the other group doesn't deny he has declined from last season the other group claims that the criticism is grossly exaggerated with people going to extreme levels and talking about selling and also judging everything he does in his personal life for not performing.

With the amount of debate that goes on this thread you would expect it to be the same elsewhere but I don't see many criticisms of neymar on anywhere in the social media or even in real life. Its kinda just a barcaforum thing.

 

[Vlom]

No one ever argues Neymar is as good as Messi. You will only hear that mentioned in straw man arguments to say he isnt.

No, but they're saying Messi is as bad as Neymar sometimes, so Neymar's level is of no relevance in the debate.

 

[JamDav1982]

No, but they're saying Messi is as bad as Neymar sometimes, so Neymar's level is of no relevance in the debate.

No, no the point about Messi also being bad sometimes is nothing to compare or boost Neymar it is to point out the weakness of SOME arguments that make even the best player ever look bad.

The point is nothing to do with comparing Messi/Ney but to show the shit and biased criteria used by some to judge.

 

[Neymessi]

That's me serving the same dish of personal remarks Neymar fanboys keep on doing and abusing Barca fans here.

Shouldn't have stooped there but I'm only a man.

Nah, not a single post came close to the amount of personal remarks you replied with.

Yes, if he sucked too.

Messi can sit on the pitch until his retirement and still be worshiped. He deserved it.
Neymar can play for a decade more (at his 2015 level) and still wouldn't come close to Messi. Not that he will mind you, as he is not showing any signs of getting there nor does he have the mental capacity.

The only thing I heard you and bbz etc saying in all of the match chat was neymar neymar and neymar. Sarcastic neymar stuff and whatnot. Messi didn't play out of the world in any of the finals but the reason of the losses were always his indecisive teammates. The team just didn't click today and with that retarded lineup one would bet it wouldn't but putting all the pressure on neymar to have played better while the whole team was shit is just unfair and unrealistic.

 

[Neymessi]

No, no the point about Messi also being bad sometimes is nothing to compare or boost Neymar it is to point out the weakness of SOME arguments that make even the best player ever look bad.

The point is nothing to do with comparing Messi/Ney but to show the shit and biased criteria used by some to judge.

Pretty much this.

 

[Ahmedd]

[MENTION=16494]Neymessi[/MENTION] Barcaforum is amazing, I think it's important to have different opinions but man.. People here are very passionate.

 

[Vlom]

No, no the point about Messi also being bad sometimes is nothing to compare or boost Neymar it is to point out the weakness of SOME arguments that make even the best player ever look bad.

The point is nothing to do with comparing Messi/Ney but to show the shit and biased criteria used by some to judge.

If only Neymar was "bad sometimes" just like Messi, even at neymar-level, no one here will be complaining.

So far, Neymar is bad a LOT of sometimes, that's the issue.

And yet, every single time, people will bring Messi to the discussion, you can check past pages if you feel like it, but don't tell me i'm the one bringing it, I just react to it.

 

[Barcaman]

Nah, not a single post came close to the amount of personal remarks you replied with.



The only thing I heard you and bbz etc saying in all of the match chat was neymar neymar and neymar. Sarcastic neymar stuff and whatnot. Messi didn't play out of the world in any of the finals but the reason of the losses were always his indecisive teammates. The team just didn't click today and with that retarded lineup one would bet it wouldn't but putting all the pressure on neymar to have played better while the whole team was shit is just unfair and unrealistic.

Bullshit.
Stegen, Gomes got stick too from me. Lucho too.
You have a problem of looking through your Neymar painted glasses.

And my reply was bang on as that fanboy mocked me and other poster when I haven't mentioned him in my post at all.
Stooping to his level is only thing I regret.

Not that you would know anyway about everything that goes on here let alone be capable of judging.

 

[JamDav1982]

If only Neymar was "bad sometimes" just like Messi, even at neymar-level, no one here will be complaining.

So far, Neymar is bad a LOT of sometimes, that's the issue.

And yet, every single time, people will bring Messi to the discussion, you can check past pages if you feel like it, but don't tell me i'm the one bringing it, I just react to it.

Well there you go...again you try to compare Messi and Neymar when that is clearly not is what is being said or mentioned at all.

You are desperate for that to be the argument.

Of course Messi is bad 'sometimes'. He is human that is the point about how using some criteria fails for even the best.

It NOTHING to do with Neymar but to do with the arguments used to judge players. Any that apply to making Messi look bad hows how poor they are.

 

[Total-Football]

If only Neymar was "bad sometimes" just like Messi, even at neymar-level, no one here will be complaining.

So far, Neymar is bad a LOT of sometimes, that's the issue.

And yet, every single time, people will bring Messi to the discussion, you can check past pages if you feel like it, but don't tell me i'm the one bringing it, I just react to it.

nice fucked up logic you got there my freind .. i don't care if you are messi , maradonna, george best or anyone .. you play bad you get the criticism FOR THAT GAME .. come the end of the season then i would evaluate the whole season , only then i may give you credit despite some bad games .. but don't expect me to play it blind after a champions league loss

 

[Vlom]

Well there you go...again you try to compare Messi and Neymar when that is clearly not is what is being said or mentioned at all.

You are desperate for that to be the argument.

Of course Messi is bad 'sometimes'. He is human that is the point about how using some criteria fails for even the best.

It NOTHING to do with Neymar but to do with the arguments used to judge players. Any that apply to making Messi look bad hows how poor they are.

God .. this is exhausting.

I am not desperate for anything, I know Neymar is playing like shit and has been for a while now, what other criteria are we talking about ?

You guys keep bringing up other players or any other reason to say that is okey and it's normal and "human", as you're doing right now, justifying Ney's level by saying some other player has sometimes also played bad.

And stop saying "no one's saying that" it's been the same after every fucking bad game from Neymar.

 

[Vlom]

nice fucked up logic you got there my freind .. i don't care if you are messi , maradonna, george best or anyone .. you play bad you get the criticism FOR THAT GAME .. come the end of the season then i would evaluate the whole season , only then i may give you credit despite some bad games .. but don't expect me to play it blind after a champions league loss

Well apply that logic to Neymar, I haven't seen criticism from you that didn't include "but that other player was also bad so.."

As far as I recall, I have praised AND criticized Neymar since I signed up to this forum, can't say the same about your unfucked up self.