BBZ8800
Senior Member
Obviously Suarez's case and decline cannot be compared to either Dembele or Malcom. But Coutinho is a good example.
Nevertheless what is more logical or probable?
1. That these players were able to perform on a very high level elsewhere, they seem to only have different problems under EV?
2. These players 'forgot how to play' in Barcelona, so despite the strongest efforts of the star-coach, every personal fiasco is theirs only and they can only blame themselves?
Which one?
I see, 'both' once again... C'mon...
1. Dembele performed in a weak French league.
You can't conclude anything from that.
At Dortmund, a league is weaker than La Liga, his team played counters and his team didn't have Messi and key players.
A similar story how Alexis was awesome at Udinese and Chile but bad at Barca.
Also, in a French Nt, Dembele was never good.
He is on the bench and when he plays, he is usually lost.
So, his good seasons: Dortmund
Average: Barca and French NT
2. Suarez declined due to age and his motivation is lower, there is nothing to discuss here.
3. Malcom, he was good only in a French midtable team.
Plus, his team was built around him.
For example, Halilovic looked awesome in Croatia against weak opponents and when a team is built around his strengths.
Pjaca from Croatia looked like a future Real/Barca player while in Croatia.
When he moved to Juve, that step was too huge for him.
So, when a player plays in a weaker league like Malcom, Halilovic, Pjaca or Joao Felix, you can't predict whether they look good because:
1) they are true gems
2) or because their opponents are horrible
The only way to find out how will they perform in a tougher league is to: actually test them in a tougher league.
This is why Barca is often a too big step for these players and teams like Roma, Dortmund, Betis is a way better starting place for them.
4. Coutinho, guys who watched him every week swear that he was hot and cold even there, with occassional golazos.
In a Brasilian Nt, no significant success either with him as a leader, right?
My opinion is still that this is the most overrated team ever.
I posted numbers a few days ago.
70% of signings fail at Barca.
Under mighty Pep, Zlatan, Afellay, Chyngry, Caceres, Alexis, Fabregas, Hleb all failed.
How do you explain that?
Are those players bad?
Or Pep is a bad coach?
Or, the right answer:
Some were not good enough.
Some were bad fits.
Some weren't mentally ready for the highest level.
Some were injury prone.
Has any of those players improved under Pep?
So, when players stagnate or fail under Pep (signings and La Masia playes like Bojan), then players were bad and wrong fits.
When under EV new players stagnate and La Masia kids don't develop=then all these players are world beaters and a bad EV has ruined 10 careers in 2 seasons.
That doesn't make too much sense.
So, again: EV is not good.
But majority of our players are comically overrated by our fans.
Dembele generational talent.
Malcom a very good player.
And overweight, tired and slow sideway passer Arthur, one of the best midfielders in the world. Lol.
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