11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1
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They won't get 150m and they know it. It's just hard bargaining.
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No doubt. I am sure we suspected Neymar's people were colluding with PSG for awhile. That was the time we should have went after him and others hard.
The moment the deal was announced, it screwed up everything.
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No. It's about compensation for a transfer that would comoletely derail their preparations and planning. How dare clubs refuse to roll over when we want one of their best players?
Smaller clubs than Barça have sporting ambitions of their own. And Dembele is a key part in that. Not their fault our Verratti chase and Neymar fiasco fucked us over too late.
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No. It's about compensation for a transfer that would comoletely derail their preparations and planning. How dare clubs refuse to roll over when we want one of their best players?
Smaller clubs than Barça have sporting ambitions of their own. And Dembele is a key part in that. Not their fault our Verratti chase and Neymar fiasco fucked us over too late.
Really? Ambitions?
Same ambitions they had when they sold Gündogan, Hummels, Mkhitaryan, Götze, Lewandowski? We are offering close to the same amount of money 4 of these players cost and they're turning us down because of their ambitions?
Yes, real quality is 100m+. Thats the way the market is. Investment in talent is not about signing some 17 year old kid from the Serbian league. Its about signing the best players in the world younger than 25 years old. Signing the Arda Turans and Vidals of the world will ensure mediocrity. Its not hard to explain this. Arda Turan and lots of other players function in a system made for a specific team and by a specific coach. They can look better than they really are. It doesnt make these type of players for huge amounts of money good signings for a club like Barca. We need players who are already great who can start for us and yet has even more unfulfilled potential to become the world's greatest.
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Lukaku can hardly control the ball. 105m euros for that guy who will never, ever win the ballon d'or is justified but Dembele for the same price is not although he's been beasting it in both the French and the German league before turning 20? Pogba's price was surprisingly low. While Pogba cost 100m, Higuain cost almost the same, has zero marketing potential and he could start to decline and move to China any moment now, who knows. With Dembele, we have a great player for 10 years at least. Divide the transfer fee over those years and its a very good investment. Who would you see us chase instead of Dembele? Some type of "proven" average Kevin Gameiro type of player?
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Xaviniesta
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Dembele has 66% pass accuracy for Dortmund, it's the lowest number in the whole squad
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khaled_a_d
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Pogba value was more than fair, it was only you who thought he will cost more (no disrespect) and you are comparing different things here.
Simple as it is, there are a lot of factors that decides player price.
Dembele age is a factor for example that decrease his price in comparison to Lukaku, a 20 years old cost less than a 24, simply because one is at his prime and the other is still need developing even with great potential we will have to deal with his growing pains.
Dembele one year ago was a player we made an offer to be a sub and almost no big club made an effort on him this year because many thought he isn't ready for starting yet. He is talented but the way he doesn't protect the ball (always made it a bit far from him) and his pass accuracy and decision making and goal scoring abilities will be exposed in Liga and against parking the bus teams in CL.
For Manu? they needed a bull, we aren't talking Lukaku to Barca but Lukaku to Manu under Mourinho. He is perfect for them and they knew it, Everton knew it and they are league rival. This all inflates his price
So it isn't a situation of Dembele vs Lukaku as a players, which most of blaugrana1987 argument is all about. It is about factors that decide the price of players.
Neither Bundesliga sales are comparable to PL, nor they are rival, nor he is a finished product. Dembele is 70-90M at most. May be in 2-3 years he is worth to be 2nd most expensive player in the history, but not now. He isn't even the flavour of the year, that is Mpabbe
Simple as it is BVB are taking advantage of Neymar situation, won't blame them for that. Would I want us to walk away from the deal? No. But no, his fair price even in this market isn't over 90 or over 100M. And not over Lukaku price who was actually overpriced anyway. I understand people complaining about it and they have a strong reason for that. I don't like clubs taking advantage of the situation anyway.
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Sorry, but you were the one who talked about how it would take a very long time until we would see 200m transfers and used Ronaldo's transfer fee of 94m in 2008 as an example of very little price inflation for the best of the best. I was wrong with one year when it came to 200m transfers. Leipzig have been rejecting super bids from Liverpool for Naby Keita this summer. Naby has shown less than Dembele and is significantly older. This was before Neymar even was sold. What we are seeing is the overall increase of money in the game. Football revenue is skyrocketing. Thats why we must be prepared to pay 100m for the best players in Bundesliga who are only 20 years old. The fact that we can keep him for 10 years is part of the price.
You still havent answered who you want us to chase instead.
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