11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1

[Windhook]

Dont know if this is reliable but i dont believe the club that they didnt know about his discomfort and i do believe this did affect the operated area and he could miss much much more than 3-4 weeks. They just dont want do admit that that they fucked up by rushing him back....

No such thing. The article translated by Google:

The Frenchman was on the pitch in the 20th minute of the second half replacing Paulinho, after this, Dembélé informed the medical party of his discomfort and then the injury was diagnosed.

Maxim, check your sources.

But if you think that I am doubting Dembele only because in general I don't like younger players, no problem.

So, just to make it clear, you admit your dislike for young players?

 

[MessiCam]

He didn't change the system anyway.

Played a 4-4-2 even with Dembélé and will do the same when Coutinho can play too.

In the first leg against Celta he came on as a striker in a 4-3-3. Against Levante he appeared to play as a RW in a 4-3-3 again. In the second leg against Celta there was a switch to a 4-3-3 again after the Dembélé and Arnaiz substitions.

Most of all. 4-3-3 False 9 was being used in the practice sessions since Dembélé’s return from injury.

I have little doubt that a 4-3-3 False 9 was going to be played with a firing Dembélé.

 

[Devils]

dembele and coutinho are only really luxury players for la liga + copa at this point. valverde's 4-4-2 can do the damage at the bernabeu and not concede in turin. That's good enough to compete in the CL for now, we'll take it by storm next year when our 2 superstar signings are flying on all cylinders.

Well we should have Dembele back for the rest of the CL (should we advance past Chelsea)

The way I see it, we will have Coutinho for La Liga/CDR and we will have a rested Iniesta and Dembele for CL.

Would have been nice to have Dembele ready for Chelsea, but Valverde's current system (even without Dembele) has yet to fail us so hopefully it will be good for CL.

But...

Messi--Suarez (Paco)
Coutinho--Iniesta (Paulinho)--Busi--Raki
Alba (Digne)--Pique/Verm--Umtiti--Roberto/Semedo
MAtS​

is easily good enough for the next month of La Liga/CDR, regardless of who we play.

 

[FCBfan22]

Dembélé had informed the medical group of his discomfort
https://twitter.com/JorgeCarrilloS/status/952951088726110209

If this is true (which I doubt), our medical staff is very stupid.

Anyway, the guy played only 264 minutes for us and has 2 assists. If we can keep him healthy, he could be one of our best players in the future. He has 0,68 assists per 90.

 

[Pedro]

Dembele will shine at this summer's World Cup with France.

 

[Ousmane Dembélé]

Dembele will shine at this summer's World Cup with France.

I'm not sure he'll start to be honest. He hasn't gotten enough playing time this year nor is he a undroppable superstar just yet.

I don't know what formation France uses, but assuming it's one with three forwards Griezmann and Mbappe are locks to start. That leaves Dembele fighting it out with guys like Fekir, Giroud and Martial for the 3rd spot and unless he really lights the world on fire after he returns from injury I just don't see him playing a big part in Russia.

 

[5ergio_Busquets]

MAtS
Semedo Vermaelen Umtiti Digne

Iniesta Rakitic Busquets Alba

Messi Suarez

 

[Meatball]

If this is true (which I doubt), our medical staff is very stupid.

Anyway, the guy played only 264 minutes for us and has 2 assists. If we can keep him healthy, he could be one of our best players in the future. He has 0,68 assists per 90.

Our medical staffs are not the brightest ones but sometimes it's hard to put all the blame on them. Muscular injuries especially the degenerative type of tendon injury often show no swelling nor visible tear on MRI or ultrasound scan. Therefore, the examination and treatment for such cases can largely depend on the players themselves. Experienced players who can read their body better are less likely to aggravate the problems. Only the experience ones can know which discomfort they can ignore and which discomfort or feeling they need to take extra caution and rest. Medical staffs can help but not much in such cases.

 

[BarcaMessi]

The medical staff, Valverde and Dembele need to communicate better. He most likely felt something when he did a kick back with the left leg at the end of Celta game.

 

[Centauri B]

I very much fear that Dembele's season is gone. When is he going to reach sufficient fitness levels? When is he going to integrate into the team, when will he gain world-class form?

 

[Hamzah]

Remember he didn't have a preseason because of his shenanigans

 

[BBZ8800]

So, just to make it clear, you admit your dislike for young players?

Young players do not fit well with BARCA.
Because we are always pressured to win trophies in each season, and to play well (pleasing for the eye).

Both, to win trophies, you will need players with at least some experience, and to play beautiful, you will again need players who know our system, our mechanisms and who have a chemistry with other starters.

So, in short, unless if your name is Messi, or if you aren't La Masia talent, who is familiar with our style, then young, foreign kids will extremely rarely have an immidiate impact in our club.
And then again, since Barca rarely have years to wait and develop players, majority of players who don't shine in 2-3 years are sold.

This is in shortest, why someone like Coutinho or Griezmann have way higher chances to fit much faster and to make an impact than Dembele.

In the last 20-ish years, after R9, the only youngish guys (outside of La Masia) who had impact soon after coming were Ronaldinho (aged 23), Etoo (aged) 24 and Neymar.
But even Neymar needed some time and even then some of us never said that he is a good fit.

Barcelona, trophies, huge pressure, our unique style of play which requires lots of learning and foreign, young, unexperienced kids=create happy endings extremely rarely.

That is why I am not a huge fan of too young players at Barca.
And then, a foreign kid who wants to make it here, needs to have absolutely everything.
Skills, IQ, bravery, mental strength, ability to fit and evolve his game to our style, injury proneness.
If you lack in any area, your Barca future is in big danger.

So, when you buy a 25-26 years old guy like Coutinho, you know more about all areas of his game and that he has way more experience.
Cou has experience, proven IQ, proven bravery, played in several clubs so he will be able to adapt, we have a larger sample of infos about his injury proneness, mental strength in tough moments.
While with kids like Dembele, we don't know anything.
Majority of areas are unknown or we have a small sample and everything regarding him is a huge gamble.

So, I wouldn't call this just a hate towards young players.
It is way more complicated, with statistically (over history) extremely low success rate for our club.

 

[serghei]

Come on guys, it's not like the new signings have been that instrumental for us. Alba, Busi, Umtiti, Stegen, Roberto, Vermaelen, Iniesta, Messi, Suarez have all been great to superb so far.

Only players from our starting eleven who so-so performances were Rakitic (improving a lot lately) and Pique. Rest have been pretty damn great.

 

[Neymessi]

I'm not sure he'll start to be honest. He hasn't gotten enough playing time this year nor is he a undroppable superstar just yet.

I don't know what formation France uses, but assuming it's one with three forwards Griezmann and Mbappe are locks to start. That leaves Dembele fighting it out with guys like Fekir, Giroud and Martial for the 3rd spot and unless he really lights the world on fire after he returns from injury I just don't see him playing a big part in Russia.

No way he starts the WC after being injured so much this season. France has the highest depth amongst all nations and they can replace him with a blink of an eye.

 

[Centauri B]

Remember he didn't have a preseason because of his shenanigans

I think that this may be the reason for his serious injury issues. He was out of form when he signed and then pushed himself excessively in order to impress and compensate.