11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1

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Windhook

Windhook

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FCBfan22 said:
Arnaiz can't play in CL. I think the B team players need to be at the club for at least 2 years to be CL eligable.
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To my knowledge UEFA eligibility rules allow each club to register 25 players on list + additional 8 players (La Masia youngsters or Spanish nationality) aged between 15 and 21. Arnaiz is 22 thus ineligible to play in CL. The only way is to exclude someone else from that 25 player list.
 
FCBfan22

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Windhook said:
To my knowledge UEFA eligibility rules allow each club to register 25 players on list + additional 8 players (La Masia youngsters or Spanish nationality) aged between 15 and 21. Arnaiz is 22 thus ineligible to play in CL. The only way is to exclude someone else from that 25 player list.
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Maybe Mascherano and Deulofeu?
 
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MessiCam

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BBZ8800 said:
Ok, it is offtopic, but please, enlighten me, how do we measure a success of a certain player?
For me, personally, a player has improved a team if you can see a difference in results, trophies. Or in worst case, in displays on a field, but that is very subjective, since, you see, some thinks that Dembele is our 2nd best player already (because he has nice dribbling skills, while others will keep him on the bench and play EV's 442).

In 4 years BEFORE Neymar:
Before Neymar: 3 La Liga titles in 4 years
With Neymar: 2 La Liga titles in 4 years

Champions league:
Before Neymar: 1 title in 4 years
With Neymar: 1 title in 4 years

CDR:
Before Neymar: 3 titles in 4 years
With Neymar: 3 titles in 4 years

I could add: after Neymar.
This team, with Messi, will win at least 2 La ligas in 4 years, and there is a nice chance that we will win 1 CL in 4 years.
So, we will be again be THE SAME without Neymar, or who knows, maybe even more successful than with him.

Now, if you compare a team, BEFORE a player, DURING his time here, and AFTER his departure, and if results are more or less the same all the time (or even better when he is not here), can you explain to me: what to think then?
I know that there are 100s of variables.
But still, Barca wasn't weaker BEFORE Neymar than with him, and we aren't weaker TODAY without him, than with him.

So, instead of saying: Neymar wasn't a success here, I will say:
He didn't raise our game to a higher level, as we expected when we bought him.
And Barca is more or less, equally as successfull, with or without him in our team.
I mean, when we bought him, the idea wasn't: to stay equally as good or to turn into a weaker team, but to improve our team, right?

On the other hand, remove Messi from our team, and you'll see a huge drop in results.

And please don't reply: we sucked during Neymar because of Lucho.
If you reply this, I surely won't reply to that kind of replies.

During Neymar we sucked, well, because of Neymar.
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Ok what do you make of Liverpool’s record with and without Coutinho?

With:

Played 20, Won 8, Draw 10, Lost 2 - Points per game - 1.7

Without:

Played 12, Won 10, Draw 1, Lost 1 - Points per game - 2.6

He according to your previous posts will automatically be our second best player...

Your criteria cuts both ways. You buy players that are supposed to improve your team remember.
 
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henias

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Windhook said:
To my knowledge UEFA eligibility rules allow each club to register 25 players on list + additional 8 players (La Masia youngsters or Spanish nationality) aged between 15 and 21. Arnaiz is 22 thus ineligible to play in CL. The only way is to exclude someone else from that 25 player list.
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Sorry I kept having the impression that he was promoted because I kept seeing him in recent matches. My bad.
 
Devils

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BBZ8800 said:
Ok, it is offtopic, but please, enlighten me, how do we measure a success of a certain player?
For me, personally, a player has improved a team if you can see a difference in results, trophies. Or in worst case, in displays on a field, but that is very subjective, since, you see, some thinks that Dembele is our 2nd best player already (because he has nice dribbling skills, while others will keep him on the bench and play EV's 442).

In 4 years BEFORE Neymar:
Before Neymar: 3 La Liga titles in 4 years
With Neymar: 2 La Liga titles in 4 years

Champions league:
Before Neymar: 1 title in 4 years
With Neymar: 1 title in 4 years

CDR:
Before Neymar: 3 titles in 4 years
With Neymar: 3 titles in 4 years

I could add: after Neymar.
This team, with Messi, will win at least 2 La ligas in 4 years, and there is a nice chance that we will win 1 CL in 4 years.
So, we will be again be THE SAME without Neymar, or who knows, maybe even more successful than with him.

Now, if you compare a team, BEFORE a player, DURING his time here, and AFTER his departure, and if results are more or less the same all the time (or even better when he is not here), can you explain to me: what to think then?
I know that there are 100s of variables.
But still, Barca wasn't weaker BEFORE Neymar than with him, and we aren't weaker TODAY without him, than with him.

So, instead of saying: Neymar wasn't a success here, I will say:
He didn't raise our game to a higher level, as we expected when we bought him.
And Barca is more or less, equally as successfull, with or without him in our team.
I mean, when we bought him, the idea wasn't: to stay equally as good or to turn into a weaker team, but to improve our team, right?

On the other hand, remove Messi from our team, and you'll see a huge drop in results.

And please don't reply: we sucked during Neymar because of Lucho.
If you reply this, I surely won't reply to that kind of replies.

During Neymar we sucked, well, because of Neymar.
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Neymar also came to us in a period of transition, we were moving past the best days of guys like Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Alves and Valdes. And only as of this season are we starting to adequately transition from these players.

So in the time we bought Neymar/had we witnessed:

-The decline of our greatest midfield ever and some of key defenders.
-Bought in Tata, a manager who admitted he failed Barca as a manager
-Temporarily covered our defensive and midfield frailties through the assembly of MSN and (of which in the prime MSN year 2015, Neymar was nothing short of brilliant) and signing the likes of Raktic, Bravo and converting Roberto to RB which proved to be a short term solution but it's been clear that since the treble year our defense and midfield needed strong reinforcements.
-Played in era of Spanish dominance that gave rise to the best Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid teams in recent decades.

Neymar was to blame for nothing of this and had no control over these issues. He was to blame for his terrible spells that he had with us, but that doesn't make him solely responsible for every other fault of the club or the rise of historic teams for other clubs.

In the 5 year contract that Dembele has with us we will more than surely witness the decline of the likes of Saurez, Busi, Pique, Alba and even Messi. We will witness the rise of other dominant teams in Europe who might win 2 or more CL in their era of dominance.

These are things that Dembele will no control over.

Yes there is always the possibility that Dembele will fail, but regardless even if he comes good you will find a way to hammer him just like the way you blame it all on Neymar in the post above.
 
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dakt

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The only problem is that we have spent 150million on a potential, not a well cooked player. It's a very expensive gamble made to counteract Neymar's departure and so calm down socios/supporters. Now, all we can do is hope he will become big.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Bele + Coutinho + Messi = 140M + 160M + 120M ~ 420M. Just these 3, almost 1/2 of a billion. Not to mention incoming Grizman project and stadium renovation. Where the heck are we getting that money from? Do we have hidden oil field?
 
George_Costanza

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BBZ8800 said:
I can't explain yet, but something in Dembele's eyes, body language, interviews and now decisions on a field is raising huge red flags in my brain.
I am not saying that he is on a level of Halil or Alexis.
But it seems that he surely won't be on Ronnie's or Xavi/Iniesta's level either.
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What you are talking about is Emotional Intelligence EQ that has nothing to do with IQ Intelligence Quotient and isn't necessary to have to be a successful footballer.

Many gifted individuals lack this emotional intelligence.
 
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