Our midfield is and has been shit for a while now, but I don't think Seri is a player that's going to come here walk straight into our starting lineup and boss the middle of the park. I think Dembele is a player that has a lot more value and potential than any of our midfield targets apart from Verratti.
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Our midfield is and has been shit for a while now, but I don't think Seri is a player that's going to come here walk straight into our starting lineup and boss the middle of the park. I think Dembele is a player that has a lot more value and potential than any of our midfield targets apart from Verratti.
God Serena
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If Seri isn't good enough to walk into our XI he isn't good enough for this club at all anyways. His only competition is Iniesta, who shouldn't be starting anymore after his decline, and Rakitic, who is still clinging onto his treble season contribution for dear life as he grows worse and worse by the month.
behindbrowneyes
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Don't you think a big factor for this problem was our tactics? I mean Lucho walked in, we signed Suárez and decided to play a more direct way. It turned out be great as opponents had no answer to this man(fire)power.
In the next year we were still quite good but we started declining. This season we were really bad and our main tactics seemed to be give Ney and Leo the ball and hope that they know what do you with it. Our midfield wasn't a factor and our big loss to Liverpool in preseason was a big warning sign. Saying Iniesta and Rakitic are done and the young ones are shit is too cheap.
Why do you think Valverde said things like
V: "Don't rely on MSN too much? Barça is about team work and combination of players. More focus is needed on defense."
V: "MSN carries weight in this team but there should be more team work than just relying on them."
V: "Barça's style is team play built around midfielders and playing from the inside."
in his first presser?
If we move our interest from Verratti to Dembélé and play 4-2-3-1 we have Iniesta, Rakitic, Sergi Roberto, Gomes and maybe Rafinha + (Alena) to cover the position besides Busi. None of them is for different reasons as good as Verratti, but all of them can offer good things and we have different options to play different football by simply changing the player and tactical focus on that position. Sign a proper RB and Dembélé and our midfield won't be a problem with Valverde as coach.
BarçaBarça
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Too weak in passing and holding on the the ball. His forces are dribbling and finishing - that is better further up the pitch, imo.
I would be willing to try him there though. Someone like Coutinho fits the Iniesta-profile better as I see it.
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Egert
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Zorc: "Dembélé will play for BVB next season"
https://www.waz.de/sport/fussball/b...cht-machtwort-dembele-bleibt-id210996267.html
https://www.waz.de/sport/fussball/b...cht-machtwort-dembele-bleibt-id210996267.html
BBZ8800
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If we'll buy (only) Dembele and a Rb, and if we'll play with Busi-Roberto/Rakitic and MSN-'Mbele, I am going to kill myself right away.
That team sounds as even more dribbling-based than our current walking disaster called 433 with MSN in attack (without any midfield strength or logic).
About Dembele, I will be a party breaker.
Guy has a potential.
Who knows, maybe in 3-4 years he will turn into a new Barca's leader, or he will fail miserably till then.
But yes, potential to be a great player is there.
On the other hand, if people are expecting some immidiate impact from Dembele, be prepared for dissapointments and new CLs and La Ligas for Real.
He will need at least 2 years to either get to Barca's star-level or to fail till then.
Real has an in-form team who won 3 CLs in 4 years and their machine clicks perfectly currently.
And our plan is to fight with them with our team which was dying for the last 18 Months, strengthened by 2 guys like Dembele and Bellerin/Semedo, aka "summer of 22, episode 2" (with slightly better players this time, after 4 out 5 youngsters from last summer failed).
Our only chance for a success is if CR7 will leave Real.
RM will destroy their winning machine then.
If CR7 will stay in Madrid and we won't buy Verratti/Seri but Dembele and Semedo, guys be prepared for the 13th CL for Real in the next season and save your nerves.
That team sounds as even more dribbling-based than our current walking disaster called 433 with MSN in attack (without any midfield strength or logic).
About Dembele, I will be a party breaker.
Guy has a potential.
Who knows, maybe in 3-4 years he will turn into a new Barca's leader, or he will fail miserably till then.
But yes, potential to be a great player is there.
On the other hand, if people are expecting some immidiate impact from Dembele, be prepared for dissapointments and new CLs and La Ligas for Real.
He will need at least 2 years to either get to Barca's star-level or to fail till then.
Real has an in-form team who won 3 CLs in 4 years and their machine clicks perfectly currently.
And our plan is to fight with them with our team which was dying for the last 18 Months, strengthened by 2 guys like Dembele and Bellerin/Semedo, aka "summer of 22, episode 2" (with slightly better players this time, after 4 out 5 youngsters from last summer failed).
Our only chance for a success is if CR7 will leave Real.
RM will destroy their winning machine then.
If CR7 will stay in Madrid and we won't buy Verratti/Seri but Dembele and Semedo, guys be prepared for the 13th CL for Real in the next season and save your nerves.
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Dembele was arguably the best player in Germany last season together with a few Bayern stars like Thiago and Robben. After he totally dominated in France. If you're good enough, you're old enough. Just ignore his age and look at his performances.
wisconsincule
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So if Dembele isn't for sale either then who is it??
Thomas Lemar and Fabinho should be doable. Ricardo Pereira as well. Of course, its always some negotation tactics from smaller clubs when they claim this and that player is not for sale.
BBZ8800
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Name 1 bought attacker aged 18-21 who made it here (Ok, Ronaldo R9).
On the other hand, we had Saviola, Simao, Quaresma, all "future leaders and BallonDOrs" who failed.
Only somewhat youngers players who made it are Neymar (even though his case is extremely tricky and debatable) aged 21 and Ronaldinho aged 23.
So, imo again, not only that it is very questionable whether Dembele will make it here. but also, even if he will make it, he won't reach star-level until 2019 or 2020.
Him turning into a good player would be awesome for our long term future, but again, I don't see how he will help us short term, in Messi's final years and in the days when we have the most expensive (and broken) attack ever, called MSN.
I will repeat again, in the last few years, our game plan was 433 and: pass the ball to Messi or Neymar, and they will dribble past 5 players and try to create something.
And now, instead of fixing our midfield, our new game plan will be 4231 and: pass the ball to Messi, Neymar or Dembele and they will try to dribble past 5 players and create something.
We won't fix the MSN shit, we will reach even more dumber level where we will play with 4 attackers, and where 3 out of them are crazy individualistic dribblers.
And behind them, we will have Busi-Raki, Busi-Roberto or Busi-Gomes.
On a good day against poor teams, we will have 40 dribbles per match and we will be winning 6:1 and 7:1.
But against better teams, our teams (with this lineup) will be cut in half (attack and midfield+defense) with zero control.
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Dont judge players based on age and nationality. Every player is different. Player with age X is not the same as player with age X just because they have the same age. Same with nationality. You have to judge players based on how they perform on the field. Players like Dembele and Mbappe are clearly two of the best players in the world based on what they are showing every time they play.
Not saying Dembele is the solution to our problems because I dont see how Messi can play in the middle with only two men behind him, but Dembele is a very good player. He's not potentially a very good player.
Give Aleix Vidal a fair chance at RW. Pretty sure he'd be solid.
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