11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1
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Just reading Dembele on loan to Atletico.
What do you think about the deal?
fake news from Paco Aguillar!
https://twitter.com/mundodeportivo/status/990872633158840320?s=19
Givenchy
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I agree somewhat with what you're saying, especially about the 150m price tag. but i think expecting any player present or future to be able to replicate Messi in any way will set you up for great disappointment. Messi is the GOAT, a once in a lifetime player that we've been blessed to have for his entire career, once he retires we land on planet earth again, we become mortals like other clubs. we'll have to change our style, we will need everyone to step up.
if the only type of player that excites you is a CL ready, proven worldclass player, i cant blame you but if thats the case we may aswell go down the Mourinho route disregarding la masia/youth, buying proven players regardless of age for a few successful years in the CL.. after which we'll be left in ruins with no future. imo there needs to be a balance between the two which hopefully adding Griezmann will help with
Dembele will come good next season, hes had a rough start to his Barca career and statisically in the short amount of games hes played hes not done bad atall
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Ken_rosseneri
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A loan?? How bout loan Andre Gomes, Vidal or sell them...
Can't understand some Barca fans sometimes.. anyone blind to see that he's a talent.. take Salah, KDB for example.. mourinho didn't know wat to do bout KDB... now he's the best midfielder in the BPL..don't know why Roma let Salah go...
Can't understand some Barca fans sometimes.. anyone blind to see that he's a talent.. take Salah, KDB for example.. mourinho didn't know wat to do bout KDB... now he's the best midfielder in the BPL..don't know why Roma let Salah go...
serghei
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Talent is not enough. He needs a manager like Klopp or Pep, or Zidane. We got... Valverde. Chances are, with this manager, that he'll stagnate. Very much like Martial under Mourinho at United. Both are super talented, but don't have the big personality to force their way through, need help and trust from the manager to build that confidence and consistency. That's missing.
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snowy
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I really hope he doesn't get bummed out when making mistakes. For a creative player like him, it's really important to play with total freedom and not be shackled by fear of losing the ball or missing a pass/shot As long as he's allowed and allows himself to play with flow, in the green room, he'll be able to keep his creative mojo alive.
snowy
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Being the team leader stems mainly from personality like you said. We can't ask the bouzman to change his nature out of the blue.
Similarly talented but different personality, a player like Mbappe could develop into a good leader in the future... Objectively though, it's a bit unfair to place any new signing or prospect in direct comparison to Leo or Dinho. Setting the bar that high can only lead to disappointment.
Ditto if the plan is to rely on a single player or two to secure the CL. On the other hand, building an attack plan uniting an ensemble of fast paced, creative, high work rate and skillful gangs is way more attainable.
Here's a take for instance on a mostly ambidextrous bunch, all very skillful and super fast who imo, could get us the CL... and the CDR and the Liga
Didn't include mbappe or neyney since PSG got their hooks on them ________________________________MATS/Cil*
Semedo/Pereira_______ Pique/Mina___________Umtiti/Koulibali_________Alba/Jorge Marco
Dembele/Aouar/Alena___________Eriksen/Arthur/Busi_____________Coutinho/Alfonso Davies
________Martins/Malcolm_________ Messi/Suarez_____________Keita B. Dio/Kluivert
Yeah they're mostly young and unproven, but qui ne risque rien n'a rien
BBZ8800
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You are just adding pace to a team.
Zero muscles in midfield and again, as always, no one to head the ball into a net after crosses as a plan B.
Lineup like this is a slightly better than a current lineup, but solves nothing CL wise.
If you want to win a CL, compared to a current team:
1. you need more pace
2. you need a plan B in attack (some crosses against parked buses)
3. you need some muscles in a team not to be pushed easily by CL teams (and no, your pace alone won't help in that)
4. you need a better midfield in general
Our problems are way deeper than: adding some width, adding some pace or buying a controlling midfielder who will solve all problems.
We have at least 5 different problems.
snowy
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Let's see, I'll try to tick the boxes 1 by 1:
1. more pace. banzai!
2: ticked or half-ticked … Martins, Malcolm, Demb, Aouar, Davies, Dio and Kluivert are skilled at crossing ability and crosses don't have to be necessarily completed with headers, right. But If you want to include headers as well, I agree it's a good thing and 1 more weapon in the arsenal. So you could phase out Suarez who's getting older and replace him with the best striker/header available.
3: Better than muscle -> These new additions are of the disruptive type. What they offer is the perfect answer vs big tank-like players. They like to take them on. Put them in front of a big high pressing team like Roma and they would've forced so many yellow cards, free kicks and eventually a red card or maybe even 2. They would've also wrecked Roma and their high line. In addition to playing with flair, they can also play multiple positions. That means unpredictability, lots of spontaneous criss-cross interchanges, and confusion for the other team. Man-marking them would be extremely hard. With them, you'd get a plan B, C, D, and E…
4: Dembele/Aouar/Alena___________Eriksen/Arthur/Busi_____________Coutinho/Alfonso Davies doesn't do it for you?
These guys are the Crème de la crème when it comes to talent on the rise. On the rise, meaning they're still affordable. I mean, who else would you like?
To help introduce them, I'll post some of their reels in the "Other Players" section
BBZ8800
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4: Dembele/Aouar/Alena___________Eriksen/Arthur/Busi_____________Coutinho/Alfonso Davies doesn't do it for you?
These guys are the Crème de la crème when it comes to talent on the rise. On the rise, meaning they're still affordable. I mean, who else would you like?
To help introduce them, I'll post some of their reels in the "Other Players" section
That's defensively the weakest midfield ever.
Imagine Dembele-someone-Coutinho and 3 attackers.
Our every match would end with 5:4 and 4:3. Not necessarily with our wins.
0:5 defeats in a CL wouldn't be too rare either.
FCBfan22
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This is a bit too much. Eriksen CDM? Dembele RM? Forget it. We also can't sell and buy half of the team. Anyway, if I had to chose our starting 11 for next season, it would be:
------------------MATS----------------
Sem/Bob----Pique----Umtiti----Alba
--------------Busquets---------------
------Eriksen----------Coutinho-----
Dembele-----Messi-----Griezmann
That would turn into 4-5-1 when defending. Needless to say that Griezmann would relieve Coutinho and Dembele defensively.
------------------MATS----------------
Sem/Bob----Pique----Umtiti----Alba
--------------Busquets---------------
------Eriksen----------Coutinho-----
Dembele-----Messi-----Griezmann
That would turn into 4-5-1 when defending. Needless to say that Griezmann would relieve Coutinho and Dembele defensively.
snowy
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Looks good to me. Arthur could sub for Busquet every now and then. Does Griezmann like playing in LW?
As for Demb RM, you're right best keep him in RW. Anyways, RM is Gelson Martins preferred position. Not that I suggest overhauling half the team, but it would be good to get more quality depth in the bench, just in case of injury and to prevent overplaying...
As for Demb RM, you're right best keep him in RW. Anyways, RM is Gelson Martins preferred position. Not that I suggest overhauling half the team, but it would be good to get more quality depth in the bench, just in case of injury and to prevent overplaying...
Joan
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I like to think about it. Bug God knows what that would be like. I can't recall similar lineup.
snowy
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