11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1

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vlad

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after watching Liverpool play today, I at least don't want to hear another person saying how Dembele would be world class and a future ballon d'or winner playing in "Klopp's system"

How come people need so little to change opinions on coaches and players, klopp is absolute top class manager and he has his bad sides slike every top coach, even pep. When it comes to players opinions are based after watching highlights and hype is ON until you watch him in few whole matches, then if he isnt good as expected throw him under the bus like hype was never ON.
 
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Devils

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One of the best players I have ever seen.

Been just sensational this season so decisive in most of our matches.

100m+ easily worthwhile spent.
 

Pepe Silvia

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He's attack-minded, direct, and creative. Qualities that we need. You know who loses the ball more than Dembele? Messi.

The minute Dembele doesn't single handedly win us games and trophies, then people can call for his head, until then people should really start to understand how much of a solid contributor for this team that OD is.

Much of Barca fan base is spoiled and fickle and quite pathetic tbh.
 

Messigician

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How come people need so little to change opinions on coaches and players, klopp is absolute top class manager and he has his bad sides slike every top coach, even pep. When it comes to players opinions are based after watching highlights and hype is ON until you watch him in few whole matches, then if he isnt good as expected throw him under the bus like hype was never ON.


Every player would look great in klopp system, especially fast and great dribbler like dembele is, that is best what football can offer what klopp gives to football world, bad period or form doesnt change that fact.

Yet stil cant win a trophy with liverpool or a final lmao
 

Pepe Silvia

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He doesn't.
Yes, his bad control and dispossession numbers are higher on average than Dembeles. In Messi's defense he dribbles and takes on much more, but point still stands. No one crucifies Messi for losing the ball a lot, because he contributes numbers. Yet the same is true for Dembele (who has provided crucial goals/assists), but he gets flamed constantly. Maybe he is the new scapegoat.
 

Total-Football

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Again this «war on truth» bullshit.. but but but, creative players are allowed to loose the ball. but but he tries to dribble thats why he looses the ball. but but messi and suarez also loose the ball.
Enough with that bullshit. Yesterday the guy was being handled like a child and lost possession coutless times in the middle of the parc and in no attempt to dribble or do anything creative.. He simply get bullied out of possession. Forget about the miserable attempts at dribbling, because although he failed all of them (with the exception of one in the second half where his faint finally worked) By ways of pity I wouldnt even consider those.. But to loose the ball in the middle of the parc, far away from the box that is inexcusable and unforgivable.

That is Dembele, thats the reality of the matter.All this Plato thinking will not help you realize it.. Plato thought the reality is an altered version of the ideal world and similarly a good portion of barca fans have developped this about Dembele. This ideal Dembele waiting to explode «under the right manager» with «the right tactics» with «the right teammates who do not yell at him». Seriously, do you even hear yourselves uttering this nonsense ?! do you stop for a second and try to let these words resonate in your head ?
Malcom has just joined and barely played and inter players immediately started kicking his legs because his body posture is always shaped in a way to shield the ball making it impossible to take it of him. Dembele seems to lack those basic elementary football skills to the detriment of our possession. Suarez is the foremost player, when he looses the ball its usually the end of the attack. it does not have the same effect on our game. Plus bring him up when Dembele is 10% as productive as Luis. and did I see that «Messi also looses the ball» ? lmao.. ok enough internet for me today.
 
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Joan

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I'll do a BBZ now, Messi touches the ball 80 times a match (for instance) while Dembele has 30 touches with the ball. Both of them lose it 10 times. It's not the same, not even close. One loses every third ball he receives. And that's the problem. Not to mention that he always finds the most absurd ways to lose it, in the middle of the pitch or when a clear passing line pressents itself...
 

FCBfan22

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I'll do a BBZ now, Messi touches the ball 80 times a match (for instance) while Dembele has 30 touches with the ball. Both of them lose it 10 times. It's not the same, not even close. One loses every third ball he receives. And that's the problem. Not to mention that he always finds the most absurd ways to lose it, in the middle of the pitch or when a clear passing line pressents itself...

I really don't know what game some of you watched yesterday. Yesterday Dembele was only losing the ball in the final third when he was trying to do something (not in the middle of the pitch) and, to me, seemed a lot more integrated in the build-up play than before. Yes he was playing it safe, but he was probably instructed to do so. He also did a lot of defensive work.

Really, I don't know what some of you are watching. He seems to listen to Valverde and yesterday he played a lot more like Ernie wants him than usual. Do a Rafinha, but be a bit better. Also, if you watch some of the first half, when Bob was getting caught in the final third, Dembele and Rakitić covered up for him fantastically. That was one of the reasons why Inter did absolutely nothing in the first half and was also the reason why he was subbed (and Ivan should've been also).

He is slowly getting Valverde-d. And considering that he is a polar opposite of a ideal Valverde winger, it would take a long time to fit fully, but it seems that he is coachable.


Also SUarez shouting at him... Rafinha has been here for ages and knows how to mimic Leo's movements from RW. But since Dembouz arrived, we only started to play 4-3-3 with Leo RW this season. Rafinha has filled in for Messi before and he hasn't, so it's normal that Suarez is frustrated with his movement, since he hasn't had a lot time to learn it and Suarez expects him to.
 
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Alik

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I'll do a BBZ now, Messi touches the ball 80 times a match (for instance) while Dembele has 30 touches with the ball. Both of them lose it 10 times. It's not the same, not even close. One loses every third ball he receives. And that's the problem. Not to mention that he always finds the most absurd ways to lose it, in the middle of the pitch or when a clear passing line pressents itself...

Where do you get your stats from? Please see below:

There's very little difference. What I found, when I looked into it, was that most of our offensive players have less than nine touches on average before losing ball either through a misplaced pass, an unsuccessful touch or being tackled. These were the numbers that I got from WhoScored.com:
Luis Suárez - 4,2 touches per lost ball
Munir - 4,7 touches per lost ball
Ousmane Dembélé - 4,8 touches per lost ball
Lionel Messi - 5,7 touches per lost ball
Philippe Coutinho - 6,8 touches per lost ball
Rafinha - 7,9 touches per lost ball

It's not a number that can mean a whole lot on its own though. Bear in mind that you can also look at how many touches each player on average has before completing an offensive action like a successful dribble, a shot on target, a goal, a key pass and things like that. While Messi may have fewer touches on the ball for every ball he loses than Rafinha, it's important to remember that Messi also has a lot fewer touches on the ball for every dribble or through ball he completes or every goal he scores. You could naturally argue that Rafinha would be better to have on the field if you want to retain possession, but you also have to remember that you lose a lot of creative capacity by choosing Rafinha over Dembélé.
 

Potroh

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I really don't know what game some of you watched yesterday.

Indeed, some folks have serious eye problems here...
If Dembele's very nice shot goes in in the 2nd minute, he could have been the star of the match... Many goalkeepers couldn't have saved it...
 
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