11 - Raphinha

Messi983

Senior Member
I think there's a difference betweem good experience and past it veterans.

Some of them are a bit past it to be at the highest level reliably.

That team somehow lacks the X Factor to be an actual European Powerhouse. This is a problem Barca haven't experienced in their recent history.

Oh, of course. Not saying this is ideal XI longterm. There is still a lot of work to be done but we would be moving in the right direction.

Haaland could probably be the right man for that X Factor you've mentioned but we won't get him. Ansu could potentially also grow into that role but injuries are obviously a big obstacle on his way.

But anyway, even if we make all the right moves from now on (which I don't think it's likely as every club makes mistake on the transfer market but at least don't make any major feckups like bringing back Neymar or Messi - they are both important part of our history but they should stay there - we should move forward not look back) I still don't expect us to become an European powerhouse inside next 2-3 years. We should clearly be more competitive with top teams like Bayern than we were in recent years but will likely stay some way short of winning the CL. Barca is not one of those clubs who can win CL "luckily" like Madrid or Chelsea. We're either the best/most dominant team that season or we don't win it.

But before thinking about CL we should focus on winning domestically which ofc won't be easy if Madrid really gets both KM and EH although even in that case I think they will still dearly miss likes of Benz and Modrić when they'll inevitably left. It's one thing to replace quality old players with talented youngsters, it's another thing for them to compensate for the loss of a wealthy experience, leadership and winning mentality of those veterans.

We already moved past Messi and as tough as last summer was looking back I think it was the right move. Of course we'll never be able to replace his quality individually so we should strive to improve as a team and build a system that won't be dependent on one player as much. I think Xavi is doing his best work towards that. I don't think he only wants a strong XI but also good depth with a lot of versatility and flexibility. That's why I support signing Kessie who won't be a fixed starter but should add something new to the team.

And when we'll move on from Pique and Busi it should also be easier to replace them imo. Yes, they are playing better under Xavi but have been underpeforming for years before that unlike Karim or Modrić who are still consistently playing on a very good to great leavel, also in big European games which our veterans (including Messi) mostly haven't done for years.
 

Temptation

Well-known member
Oh, of course. Not saying this is ideal XI longterm. There is still a lot of work to be done but we would be moving in the right direction.

Haaland could probably be the right man for that X Factor you've mentioned but we won't get him. Ansu could potentially also grow into that role but injuries are obviously a big obstacle on his way.

But anyway, even if we make all the right moves from now on (which I don't think it's likely as every club makes mistake on the transfer market but at least don't make any major feckups like bringing back Neymar or Messi - they are both important part of our history but they should stay there - we should move forward not look back) I still don't expect us to become an European powerhouse inside next 2-3 years. We should clearly be more competitive with top teams like Bayern than we were in recent years but will likely stay some way short of winning the CL. Barca is not one of those clubs who can win CL "luckily" like Madrid or Chelsea. We're either the best/most dominant team that season or we don't win it.

But before thinking about CL we should focus on winning domestically which ofc won't be easy if Madrid really gets both KM and EH although even in that case I think they will still dearly miss likes of Benz and Modrić when they'll inevitably left. It's one thing to replace quality old players with talented youngsters, it's another thing for them to compensate for the loss of a wealthy experience, leadership and winning mentality of those veterans.

We already moved past Messi and as tough as last summer was looking back I think it was the right move. Of course we'll never be able to replace his quality individually so we should strive to improve as a team and build a system that won't be dependent on one player as much. I think Xavi is doing his best work towards that. I don't think he only wants a strong XI but also good depth with a lot of versatility and flexibility. That's why I support signing Kessie who won't be a fixed starter but should add something new to the team.

And when we'll move on from Pique and Busi it should also be easier to replace them imo. Yes, they are playing better under Xavi but have been underpeforming for years before that unlike Karim or Modrić who are still consistently playing on a very good to great leavel, also in big European games which our veterans (including Messi) mostly haven't done for years.

Great post mate. If I could I'd give this a like. :)
 

iniestaGOAT

Senior Member
Oh shit looks like this is happening.

Hope he brings the skills and flicks and shithoussery like Neymar showboating definitely missing from this team
 

Andresito

Senior Member
Staff member
Raphinha (25) is now a primary target for Barcelona. The player wants to come. [sport]

Bar?a have submitted an offer of 35 million euros to Leeds United. A salary agreement with the winger has already been reached. [sport]
 

Zidane82

Well-known member
Oh shit looks like this is happening.

Hope he brings the skills and flicks and shithoussery like Neymar showboating definitely missing from this team

What have you heard ?!?

Raphinia is the full monty ..

Skills , pace , determination and he has a nasty streak
 

feggydinho

Senior Member
Raphinha (25) is now a primary target for Barcelona. The player wants to come. [sport]

Bar?a have submitted an offer of 35 million euros to Leeds United. A salary agreement with the winger has already been reached. [sport]

It's happening, they'll probably reject this offer and accept something between 50 - 60m cause we're not the only ones going after him. Also proves the point that dembouz is definitely leaving
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Leeds wouldnt be negotiating with Barca now when still fighting relegation.

Feels like a nonsense story that he could be bought for 35m.

Probably club trying to pressure Dembele into revealing his hand and if has deal signed elsewhere.

Very good player just dont believe this story.

Fati, Auba, Torres, Torre, Raphinha and one other is a much better front options than a year ago if could make it happen. Then maybe some other free transfer on cheap salary to fill last spot... seen Tello linked for that.
 

Laplacian

Senior Member
Antony > Raphinha

Antony's technique is better, but he is quite slow for a winger and as a result not really direct with his dribbling. We already have Ferran as our slow winger option, we need to compliment that with a pacy winger in Raphinha.
 

mc_lovin

Senior Member
Antony's technique is better, but he is quite slow for a winger and as a result not really direct with his dribbling. We already have Ferran as our slow winger option, we need to compliment that with a pacy winger in Raphinha.

Pace:
Tier 1 (rapid): Mbappe, Dembele
Tier 2 (serviceable) : Ansu, Ferran
Tier 3 (slow): Antony, Sancho

At least that's my subjective perception. I wouldn't call Ferran slow :p

I haven't watched Raphina at all, so I won't pretend to know whether he's good enough or not. To Antony: I can't bring myself to rate him. I think he's a massive fraud :S Safest choice is still Dembele.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Ferran is not slow but he isnt the type that will take players on outside and use pace to beat them.

As much as like Raphinha if/when Barca lose Dembele they wont have that in the team which under current tactics the team needs.

Hard to tell if the current tactics are what Xavi wants long term or reacting to current squad though. If he wants Raphinha on right then would need a RB that gets forward and can overlap him.

Crossing is huge part of game as Barca have shown since Xavi came in and cant have left footed RW and a RB that sits as doesnt stretch opposition and reduces ways can break teams down.
 

Andresito

Senior Member
Staff member
Ferran isn't slow. Can easily catch balls in behind the defence with a combination of great movement and good pace.

Regarding Raphinha it's a bit of a gamble for Leeds. They can agree those 35m now and earn more than they will if the get relegated.

But then again, I don't think rumours of a bid are true. Can't see why Barca would be so early, unless they want to avoid a bidding war in case Leeds stay up.
 

Zidane82

Well-known member
Leeds United winger Raphinha agrees five-year deal with Barcelona, negotiations continue for fee - report

Leeds United star Raphinha has already agreed to a five-year deal with Barcelona ahead of a mega move, according to SPORT.

The Spanish outlet has reported on their website that the Brazilian is their number one target, with a ?29.2million offer on the table.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Zero percent chance leeds sell him for 30m euros, when we paid more for Torres, whom he is better than.
 

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